Thanks for the kind words Bob but truly, I'm just a guy thankful for the collaboration from my kayakfishing brothers. :cheers1:

The thanking should be done by us in the spearing community to you guys.:notworthy:

I can't say it anymore eloquently than your kayakfishing RSG rep. He has put out a call and I am going to try to get our spearos going as well.

http://bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=8445

Paul Lebowitz is completely right--this kind of "stack the deck, push for more closure than IPA" has been tried before in the North Central Coast process. This lameduck appointment of a blatantly pro-closure Commissioner at the 11th hour puts our two communities (the most selective and low-impact but also most vulnerable fishing communities) at risk.

Our earlier showings were in front of RSGs and BRTFs. This is the decider, and a new audience. And they are the ones voting which map would decide our fishing/diving future. We have to smartly, persistently, and convincingly make our case heard for our needs.

We have only two more MLPA meetings and so we spearos will not let you guys down. We will meet you there again on October 20th/21st.

I hope everyone who ever fished in our SoCal ocean or spearfishing under its waves will be there.

Location: FG&C meeting in San Diego on Oct 20-21 at the Four Points by Sheraton on Aero Drive.

Joe is right. It's time to strap it on for the final two meetings.

Stacked deck is the perfect description. The balance on the commission is so far towards the enviro NGO side, that we have to be ready to meet an all-out attack on La Jolla.

We all know how much it chafed them to leave us the north kelp. They lied - regularly - about our use areas, drummed up fake kayak anglers, and continually tried to undermine our credibility.

Even if the commission decides to go with the IPA, there are a number of changes they can choose from. The DFG doesn't like the South La Jolla MPA boundaries. That could grow to the north and south.

We also have to watch the pier bait situation. It's a complication for them. Tyler tried to tell them to move the line so it doesn't bisect the pier. They didn't listen, so we have to stay on that case too.

The Oct meeting is in San Diego. No excuses! The other side will resort to their usual dishonorable tricks. Will we see taxpayer funded bused-in schoolchildren again? Maybe.

December's meeting in Santa Barbara is jsut as important. Make a commitment now! All that we battled for together with a single voice could be lost if we don't stay on the job to the very end.

San Diego....again, don't mean a thing to the BT....we will be THERE AND IN SANTA BARBARA in force as usual to meet our brethren on the battlefield. Those that refuse to make the trek southward/northward or drop out of the road march? easy,we kick them off the board !!! :luxhello::luxhello::luxhello::luxhello: :biggrinjester:

bring some stones....we'll vote them out Roman senate style :luxhello:

This SD guy will be in Santa Barbara as well. And I'll bring my speargun and wetsuit to pay them fish and lobsters a visit. :cheers1:

Paul and Joe, thanks for your continued efforts. I thought that we may have lost Paul for a while. Welcome back.

This is the first that I have heard about a San Diego meeting in October. If I can, I will be there but it will be the first time that I have been able to attend one of these things.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great to have some advice, suggestions... no, lets make it instructions, as to what we should and should not do at that meeting. Many guys know what needs to be done. Many others, myself included don't have a clue.

This forum is probably not the best place to distribute those instructions. I recommend that a list of guys who are on the right side of this issue be compiled, (lets leave Stan on the sidelines for this one). Once the list has been compiled, instructions should be distributed by email or PM.

I am happy to help. When is the meeting? Who is the point guy?

Bob

Kevin, you seemed to take that comment too seriously.


To the subject in question, it didn't surprise me Stan was a fly fisherman. In fact, it fit perfectly.

Bob, I never left. Just went quiet for a time.

I hear you. The same goes for those who contacted me offline. We're working on an action plan, messaging, and ways to get the word out to the kayak and spearfishing communities. It will take a few days.

In the meantime, check out this news:

Read the rest here: https://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...se-public-rec/

This is a big deal. As most of you know from personal experience, the BRTF meetings were not conducted on the up and up. They may yet be held to account for their corrupt actions.

Better yet, they may yet be held accountable for their corrupt actions...
C'mon Paul, been reading too many of Stan's posts? :biggrinjester::you_rock:

I will plan on being there, somehow, some way...


Just know that I am gonna catch chit for this one...

I'll be there regardless of the outcome I'm still gonna fish......dear enviro-Nazi-jackoffs your not gonna stop us EVER!!! And the only good thing Jerry Brown ever did was inspire the Dead Kennedys!

Do not worry, I am just pulling your line! :)

I am surprised Stan did not comment on your post as he seemed to react defensively to the others making a comment about him

I second Bob's suggestion. I will try to make the October meeting and, considering how it appears our foes have an organized plan, it would probably be good for first-timers to the meetings have one also or at least how we can be most effective.

Kevin

A little hard to comment when he was banned.

Didn't really surprise me he had no answer to the constitution because it's plain as day. I'm glad we have guys on here that know about obscure scientific studies and economics because I can't speak about stuff like that with any kind of authority. But God has given me a healthy dose of common sense and a hunger for freedom. I am only surprised the lawsuit that's been filed had to do with corruption of the MLPA process and not the constitutionality of it. Perhaps that's a future plan, I don't know.

X2...but I refer to them as "liberal socialist" ie.people with a mental disorder....

Ode to Stan...
 

There once was an enviro named Stanley
Who thought all his rants were quite manly
But what nobody knows
The gay bars where he goes
He's known quite simply as Candy

Yup - that about sums it up.

It will actually make it more fun for me playing cat and mouse with any ill gotten closures.

-Game on .... lmao

You idiots are too funny.

You bitch about being called biggots and then break out the homophobic slurs

You whine about freedom and then cheer the banning and complete sensoring of someone that doesn't agree with you.

You morons say you are a "diverse community" but talk down on any type of fishing that isn't yours.


Have fun with your little tea party circle-jerk, good on the MPLA for ignoring morons like you.

And the golden one, where you nimrods say you're moderate and sensible but threaten physical voilence.

Billy, I'm with you. Sometimes when a law is unjust, you just have to rebel. In the spirit of the Boston Tea Party, Rosa Parks and anyone who has ignored the 55 mph limit, I plan to continue fishing where I have been fishing should all of this crap become the law.

On another subject, I would like to gently suggest that all who have been calling our opponents Nazis, Socialists, Commies and other similar similarly degrading names interchangeably pick up a dictionary and figure out exactly what you want your insult to mean.

Nazis, (National Socialists), are really Fascists. The real socialists are on the other side of the political spectrum along with the Communists. I don't think you can be both a Nazi and a Socialist at the same time. I suspect that some have blurred the line between the these groups' political manifestos and the fact that both tend to support dictatorial rule.

I think that that is what I object to the most. When a small minority of people have the power to deny individual freedoms to the masses, the seeds of rebellion start to germinate. I think that we are at that stage now. Dictators rely on fear to keep the masses in check. That may not work with our group. If they push us too far, I have no doubt that some will start pushing back. Hopefully we can avoid that.

Bob

:the_finger:
no power snivlers

Wait, is this Stan's boy toy? Welcome and adios.
XOXO

Thats exactly what socialist liberals believe in...and thats a very good definition there also Bob...

You had absolutely no intentions of having a respectfull conversation about this origional Topic of this post. I gave you more than enough chances. You were someone just looking to talk shit.

This Website is Owned by a buisness. They have the legal right to censor anything they want. Sorry. :luxhello:

Whos the one Ranting now... :doh::biggrinjester:

LMAO Candy is back and wants to get sucked :hahaha:

Just FYI, it's spelled bigot, not biggot.

Yaayy...Candy Sucker is back...We Wuv Wu Weetie!!!!:luxhello:

Enviro campaign video backfires big time....
A little too truthful ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXQsnkuBCM

From my knowlege, As far as the Differance between Nazis and Socialist and such. has very little to do with political policies, and more to do with Philisophical beliefs. Were Communism is about he collective, tearing down all and any individual qualities, including religious.
Were Facism or Nazism (Nazi :National socialist workers Party) Does pretty much the same, but dictates individualism through Racial Identities.
Economic policies vary from differant examples. Were Nazi Germany had authority over German companies that were privately owned. Were as a Communist State, The State owns and operates all economic activities. Nazism was paracticed more like a Religion. It helped to shape Goverment and Economic policies, But the Nazi party and its rule during Germany were Socialist.

Thats what The Enviormentalist movement in this state as well as in the country is doing. They shape public and economic policy for the good of there movement. If a delta smelt a small fish is somewhat endangered and some Scientific report is conjured up saying so. The goverment shuts off the water flow from a Damn. Thats crippling Economic productivity and Destroying a community over a fish.
Thats just a single Example. The states AB32 bill could put Diesel Truckers out of work and a good amount of contruction. Over less than 1% of predicted Toxic Emissions... Thats a predicted estimate, and it could have no effect on the Enviorment, or global warming.

Thats very similuir to the MLPA, Its Enviormental Special intrests Funding public policy, along with the bending and breaking of rules and disregard for the general public, all to achieve a goal, with no real results.

Besides. The indoctrination these groups are doing to children... using Tax payer dollars bus school children into an MLPA meeting where the children have no say what so ever becuase They arent legal adults or Tax payers at that. But that level of indoctrination is very comparible to Hitler youth styles of teaching. Tearing down there individual thoughts and a capacity to think individually. All for an Ideaology.

In alot of ways its very easy to Equate the enviormental movement with Nazism. Becuase they have alot in common in how they operate and how they indoctrinate (educate if you see it that way) They preach Sacrafice, for a common good, and use Nazi style tactics to impose it on the rest.

"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master." Ayn Rand

Thanks Gino at least you got it!!!

Gino... Jim Kellogg, who is the union pipe fitters president donated something like $500,000.00 to Jerry Brown. Jim Kellogg is also the president of the Fish and Game Commission and sides with Richards. I believe Jim Kellogg is a president of some hunting club too and loves fishing. This tells me to vote for Brown.

Like someone else already stated, because of his actions in this process, I regret having cast a vote in the direction of Arne. It appears, by all the recent evidence, that he intends for this to be a moot point for the next governor anyway. He wants this to be his legacy and will cram it down our throats before Dec. recess, and to hell with reason. I would love to see the judge that required the BRTF to show all their work halt the process until everyone had a chance to chew it over.

I would not want to hazard a guess as to which of the candidates for the next governor would better meet our expectations. Nor do I expect anyone to cast their vote solely based on their interpretation of the candidates stance on the MLPA (or their stance on Unions). There are too many other very important considerations for each and every one of us in this state today. You gotta pick the package that is best for you and eat a little vinegar with your sugar.

I hope, at the meeting, we can all keep our heads and be on topic so that the other side appears to be what they are. They are the fanatics, the instigators, the liars and the ones that prey on the ill informed and those that could care less.

The fact is that there will be an MLPA process unless the voters repeal the law. There will be reserves and conservation areas which, unfortunately, will close some peoples favorite spots. But, what was in the passed law is a far cry from what we are being presented in the all but final product. Complete areas of consideration (like flora, pollution, etc.), all highly related, have been swept under the rug from consideration. Not to mention all the above mentioned back room and chopping block dealings that have been going on throughout the process. Seems to me that this is the weakest link in the chain, and the point most easily attacked.

Oh boy, time to lock this thread......... :eek:

That is all 100% true Kiyo

I was talking more along the lines of public employee unions. Even with those Contributions, Jerry Brown has pushed a very strong Green Agenda. So the contribution may have more to do with public works projects and future contracts aka work. Since the money came form the Pipe/steam fitters Union, and has little to do with Fishing rights. Jerry Brown is one man who does not back down on an Enviormental Agenda. The 405 and 5 freeways between 3-6pm are proof of that. Im acually a big fan of trade unions, But i think once they dibble & dabel into the political theater i think they have over reached there intented purpose. Trade unions and Public Employee unions are almost night and day in comparrison. I personally dont think public employees, employed by the taxpayers should be unionized. I could make a great case for it. And Jerry Brown orchestrated it during his first terms has governor (not that i was born yet)

Im not a fan of either Canidate, And I apologize if recently or in the past I may have sounded persuasive about the governors race.
I personally wont be taking part in picking the next governor. I honestly think that anyone who is capable of running this state effectively is acually to smart to want the job :biggrinjester:

dang, I missed one of the best threads ever. :mad: I guess old Stan got the boot. :cheers1:

Isn't Arnies private residence in Pacific Palisades, with a nice view? No wonder he sides with the Malibu celebs & Laguna elitists.

I think "Suck Me" was responding to "Stan"...and was very correct in doing so!

"There once was a...." ...excellent!:ciao:

Ode to Stan, Part II
 

Usually people like my limericks, OK OK, I'll tone it down...

There once was an enviro named Stan
Who thought he would say all he can
He spewed bull$@!# around
And in the end he found
All his actions got him a ban!

I think I really need to be paying more attention to this... When I found this thread, I had to sit down and read the whole thing. Im sorry for not being there. Im on the team now.

But seriously... some people.

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