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KeptMan 06-09-2012 05:50 PM

Wide Open SD Bay Halibut
 
So I used to fish for Salmon in the Great Lakes, and a lure manufacturer (Northern King) was always consistent. For some reason, tackle shops down here don't carry trolling spoons; all the spoons are heavy weight casting spoons. I ended up ordering a few online. These are 1/2-ounce 4.5 inch trolling spoons. The results in the bay were incredible; I have never caught so many Halibut, Angel Sharks and Sand Bass. I can't wait to go try these off of La Jolla for YTs (Australia-Style).

Give it a go guys!

jorluivil 06-09-2012 05:52 PM

I have no luck catching Halibut....can you sell me one or tell me where I can buy one?

GregAndrew 06-09-2012 06:02 PM

You know what they say about pics and BS right?

KeptMan 06-09-2012 06:12 PM

Google "Northern King Spoons." I haven't looked in a while but I think you are being facetious...didn't you jest bag a bunch of them?

I run them off of downriggers but I am sure you could do the same with an eight ounce weigh. The ones with Chartreuse and Green are especially effective.

Cheers,

Craig

jorluivil 06-09-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptMan (Post 121354)
I haven't looked in a while but I think you are being facetious...didn't you jest bag a bunch of them?


Greg?

KeptMan 06-09-2012 06:21 PM

Your loss,

I cought two going twelve yesterday. Look, I am just trying to share what has worked for me with the group. I don't take pictures unless they are over thirty.

I did get a heck of a lot of shorts but I also managed to donate close to 100-lb of Halibut over the last two days.

DanaPT 06-09-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 121353)
You know what they say about pics and BS right?

photos please. <label for="rb_iconid_11">http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/i...ons/icon11.gif</label>

100lbs is a lot of dead halibut.

jorluivil 06-09-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaPT (Post 121358)
photos please. <label for="rb_iconid_11">http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/i...ons/icon11.gif</label>

100lbs is a lot of dead halibut.



especially when you consider that the average legal weighs well under 10lbs, I could be wrong but I believe a 22" hali weighs right around 5lbs.

slobslayer 06-09-2012 08:35 PM

Who are you donating these halibut to? Less fortunate halibut fisherman like myself...

Aaron&Julie 06-09-2012 09:11 PM

Well, this is one way to TRY and sell a product with free advertising on a kayak fishing website. The only problem is you did no research. Everyone here knows how much BS this is, since there are no 100 lb halibut in California, at least there aren't south of San Francisco. BTW, most of us kayak fishermen use our downriggers for swordfish, because they are way deep, much deeper than the s&#@ you're spreading.
Aaron

mrJB 06-10-2012 05:05 AM

Aren't you the guy that doesn't even fish on a kayak and made some half-ass attempt to call me out in the past?

I quote: "Lets stop going all "Red Fisher" on these and if you want to report a weight, use a scale."

Wake the F**k up and stick to sites like BD's.

Chief Gunner 06-10-2012 05:31 AM

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radastaff 06-10-2012 01:55 PM

halibut arnt picky
sometimes they stack up
sometimes they breed
and are aggressive
big counts in the same spot in the same day
are common
every now and then

if u find them
live bait or swimbaits
will werk just as good
as anything else

pick your poison
find your fish
and dont farm the gaff shot

glad u found them
and had a steller catch
hope u didnt keep more then your limit
for the day



p

KeptMan 06-10-2012 02:44 PM

Look, do with the information what you will. I caught 25 yesterday using these spoons. Today wasn't as good on account of all the crap coming into the bay with the south wind. I still managed 5.

I donate some to coworkers but release most. I am looking for my 40+ for the summer.

Cheers,

Craig

bus kid 06-11-2012 04:55 AM

Can I use the knotless hooks with the spoons? :the_finger:

Pocoloco 06-11-2012 07:31 AM

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Old Man in the Sea 06-11-2012 07:55 AM

Thank you for the post- ignore the rest
 
If you have a real honest technique that works and you want to share it that is Excellent - Thanks. That is what this site was probably founded on....Your spoons cost 5 bucks and you can buy online you are not selling them. Frankly all of the complainers should post their best rig/technique for halibut to prove they are not full of hot air...and if you can get a camera next time - everybody loves the pictures...

Aaron&Julie 06-11-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Man in the Sea (Post 121409)
...and if you can get a camera next time - everybody loves the pictures...

The proof is in the pudding, we just haven't seen any pudding.

jorluivil 06-11-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Man in the Sea (Post 121409)
If you have a real honest technique that works and you want to share it that is Excellent - Thanks. That is what this site was probably founded on....Your spoons cost 5 bucks and you can buy online you are not selling them. Frankly all of the complainers should post their best rig/technique for halibut to prove they are not full of hot air...and if you can get a camera next time - everybody loves the pictures...

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Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie (Post 121410)
The proof is in the pudding, we just haven't seen any pudding.


I thought that maybe, just maybe he would have a taken a camera with him the second time.:rolleyes:

tasteslikechikn54 06-11-2012 09:58 AM

I might need a beer to go along all of this POPCORN!!!!!

POPCORN BABY!!!!!
:D
:D:D

ful-rac 06-11-2012 10:01 AM

Here's the PUDDING!!!
 
All 30#s of it!!!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u.../Halibut-1.png

Baja_Traveler 06-11-2012 10:03 AM

And then there's guys like me who don't own a camera they are willing to take into the wet - I gotta get one of those splash proof point & shoots one of these days...

tasteslikechikn54 06-11-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac (Post 121425)

Ha ha ha ha!!!! LMFAO!!!! That is hilarious. I'm getting an order of those spoons, for sure. What's the website again???

Fiskadoro 06-11-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie (Post 121410)
The proof is in the pudding, we just haven't seen any pudding.

In all fairness.....

Actually he's shown some pudding in the past....
http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ad.php?t=12064

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/a...1&d=1322868650
"I cought this fellow off of the red buoy between Shelter Isl and the Carrier parking lot. He took a Mack + small green skirt and Watermelon dodger off of a downrigger"


He was using a downrigger while skiff trolling in the same area for that fish.

If you can read between the lines he's using various classic Salmon downrigger trolling techniques for halibut. He's not the first to do it, and it does work. It's basically the same idea as bounce balling. I've personally fish similar spoons to the ones he describes and caught Salmon threshers and halibut locally with them.

He may be exaggerating slightly, but trollijng from a skiff you can put a lot of fish on deck if you have them zero'd in and they are in the mood. I've had my 20+ fish days fishing halibut. It's not impossible or unheard of.

I think sometimes people get used to fishing one way in one area and they think that's the only way to fish. May work for them but it's just not true.

Just saying...

Now let the lynching resume :cheers1:

mtnbykr2 06-11-2012 10:45 AM

I don't feel tardy...someone gimme somethin' to write on....:confused:

Fiskadoro 06-11-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptMan (Post 121351)
So I used to fish for.....


I've got a feeling you actually love and know how to fish. The deal is essentially you are in the wrong place. These are mostly kayak guys that fish only a few basic methods for the fish they catch. They are not interested in things others do that don't apply to their situation.

Think about it a minute. Downriigers with spoons will not work from a kayak. You could bounce ball with the spoons but you'd probably do just as well with flashers and hootchies. Personally I prefer small rapalas bounce balling since they float up when you stop and you can fish more rods without getting hung up but that's another "non-standard method" and pretty irrelevant about now.

Bottom line is your fishing a way they can't fish then saying your catching more fish then they catch. They aren't going to love you for it.


Jim

maui jim 06-11-2012 12:06 PM

My best ever Halibut day is 18 legals in 4 hours..., and I only kept 3, over 32". my super secret spot in the LBC. 3 years ago, in 12 ft of water George :eek: and no trap hook....:rolleyes:
Hit the right day and spot, and the spawn is on ,and it's magic.....It was so fun I took my Uncle Chuck the next morning for another 3 ...:D

My secret bait.... live smelt....:cool: which is FREE!!!!!

GregAndrew 06-11-2012 01:57 PM

Getting carried away on either side of this has nothing but entertainment value. Suggesting that the guy said he gave away (you donate to charity) a 100# Halibut is about as true as suggesting that asking for more proof than a newbies word is the same as some petty jealousy. In this day and age, the proof is in the pictures (I know about Photoshop etc. but the tech guys tend to work those out anyway). To make these kinds of claims and attribute it to a specific product brand, you better have some proof or reputation preceeding you or expect to be grilled.

That some people choose methods tailored less for numbers than for size does not mean that they are unable to ravage fish populations, just that they choose not to. I personally admire Halibut fishermen that take steps to avoid catching short fish. And claims of what used to happen in yesteryear do not necessarily hold any water on what can happen today.

thien 06-11-2012 02:06 PM

For what its worth, I think he meant he gave away about 100lbs of hali meat. Not that he actually caught a 100lb halibut.

Drake 06-11-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 121450)
Getting carried away on either side of this has nothing but entertainment value. Suggesting that the guy said he gave away (you donate to charity) a 100# Halibut is about as true as suggesting that asking for more proof than a newbies word is the same as some petty jealousy. In this day and age, the proof is in the pictures (I know about Photoshop etc. but the tech guys tend to work those out anyway). To make these kinds of claims and attribute it to a specific product brand, you better have some proof or reputation preceeding you or expect to be grilled.

That some people choose methods tailored less for numbers than for size does not mean that they are unable to ravage fish populations, just that they choose not to. I personally admire Halibut fishermen that take steps to avoid catching short fish. And claims of what used to happen in yesteryear do not necessarily hold any water on what can happen today.

Greg, he didn't say he gave away 100# Halibut, he said he gave away 100#'s WORTH OF Halibut.
Just want to make sure we have the facts down, I'm not defending either side just pointing out the grammatical confusion

thien 06-11-2012 02:24 PM

For what its worth, I think he meant he gave away about 100lbs of hali meat. Not that he actually caught a 100lb halibut.

StinkyMatt 06-11-2012 02:45 PM

What happened to "integrity"?

How about we have enough respect for a man and assume he is a self respecting honest man until he proves otherwise?

The alternative, thinking that everyone is a liar first is a really sucky way to go.



Just because I never had a day like the man described does not mean he did not.


Having said all that, man........please put up some more info I want to learn about this.

thien 06-11-2012 02:50 PM

Yeah, not to long ago a fish report was a fish report. It didn't require pictures or go pro video footage for proof. People just shared want they wanted, and kept to themselves what they didn't.

Fiskadoro 06-11-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thien (Post 121453)
For what its worth, I think he meant he gave away about 100lbs of hali meat. Not that he actually caught a 100lb halibut.


Whoa!!!! That's true! But you should never let truth get in the way of a good web lynching.:notworthy:

Drake 06-11-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by StinkyMatt (Post 121459)
What happened to "integrity"?

How about we have enough respect for a man and assume he is a self respecting honest man until he proves otherwise?

The alternative, thinking that everyone is a liar first is a really sucky way to go.



Just because I never had a day like the man described does not mean he did not.


Having said all that, man........please put up some more info I want to learn about this.

Well said Matt

Quote:

Originally Posted by thien (Post 121460)
Yeah, not to long ago a fish report was a fish report. It didn't require pictures or go pro video footage for proof. People just shared want they wanted, and kept to themselves what they didn't.

I love how the interenet became "pics or it didn't happen"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro (Post 121465)
Whoa!!!! That's true! But you should never let truth get in the way of a good web lynching.:notworthy:

A good internet lynching is always an excuse to grab some popcorn and a beer :cheers1:

jorluivil 06-11-2012 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thien (Post 121457)
For what its worth, I think he meant he gave away about 100lbs of hali meat. Not that he actually caught a 100lb halibut.

Yes, that's what he said but even if he did he would have to have caught *at least*:

*20 barely legal hali's
*10 that measured no less than 30inches
*5 that were in the mid to high 30inches
*3 that measured at least 40inches
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You see where I'm going with this? If he caught any of what I listed these spoons should be banned.

Do I catch a lot of hali's? Yes I do. I have proof if anyone needs it.

DanaPT 06-11-2012 03:53 PM

I'm sure he knows how to fish. . .
 
I'm not a hater. Maybe a skeptic.

25 fish... over 100 lbs of Halibut donated...

I'm thinking no photos, 5 daily bag limit. . . .They'd have to be big big fish or it was an incredible 1-3 days of fishing. Either way, we don't have all the facts (probably the intent). Who wants to share their honey hole?

BUT it would have been nice to know that I needed a boat before I spent $1000 on all those lures he was talking about. :eek:

Enough of :boxing_smiley:
More of :cheers1:
We have a KINGS game to watch.:luxhello:

GO KINGS!

mtnbykr2 06-11-2012 04:05 PM

:grouphug: I have never seen Jorge catch a halibut...;)
I have seen his excellent kite catching skills though...

Chief Gunner 06-11-2012 04:06 PM

I guess I thought he was using a downrigger and a spreader rig from a yak...even so dragging spoons low to the bottom is gonna catch all kinds of grass, kelp bits and all the other garbage floating in the bay. I was on the Bay with Darthfisherman Sat and from what I saw where we were at, we were the only one's who caught any fish.

I don't know where he fishes in the bay but I can tell you that I go through bait like crazy and only give plastics & lures a few seconds of play when I feel the bottom wether I'm in a yak or on a boat.... because San Diego bay is dregged out in the center for the Navy ships... which means a narrow, semi deep channel that makes for strong 3-5 knot tidal surges & currents either incoming or outgoing which ='s allot of floating bits. If he's using multiple trebble hooked spoons..Thats just an Eel Grass Salad guaranteed!

I'm not totally against trying something new. I've used the same bright colored poppers used along the gulf coast in Alabama, Florida and Missisippi for Speckled Trout out in the local Kelp beds and had days where the Calicos were just crazy about them....until I lost all the ones I brought back from Pensacola.

I'm not a total doubter but I am pessimistic about this; I have Fished from Maine to here and all the way across the Pacific & Indian Ocean to the Arabian Gulf (courtesy of the World's Finest Navy) and I learned a thing or two along the way...sometimes fish in different areas react to things they have never seen berore in absolutely unexpected ways.

I'll just say that this is just one of those thing's I'll have to see for myself to believe.

Enough of that; PEACE and Tight lines guy's :)

mrJB 06-11-2012 04:17 PM

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Besides, I don't think Mr. KeptbyMan fishes from a kayak.

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