How much line do you really need? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

jorluivil · 07-18-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yakin

When I was out fishing on the islander, I would fish for hali and rockfish on the same rig to save space. I was fishing 350' and 400' of water, so yeah being in kept and maybe 200' of water MAX, you will have enough. You have to remember there is always that chance of that HUGE toad swimming by and maxes out your line and your going for a slay ride with around 200'-300' of line out, you will feel a lot more comfortable having atleast an extra 100-200 feet of line to back you up.

unless I'm reading this wrong if you were fishing anything deeper than 360' you were fishing illegally.

Rockfish
The recreational fishery for rockfish (Sebastes sp.) is open to divers² and shore-based anglers year-round. The fishery is open to boat-based anglers from March 1, 2012 through December 31, 2012 (see important NOTE at the end of this section). These species may only be taken or possessed³ in waters less than 360 feet (60 fathoms) deep*. The daily bag and possession limit is 10 fish in combination of all species within the RCG Complex (includes all species of Rockfish, Cabezon and Greenlings) per person, with a sub-limit on bocaccio (2 per person, minimum size limit of 10 inches total length, also included in the 10 fish RCG Complex aggregate limit). Yelloweye rockfish, canary rockfish, bronzespotted rockfish, and cowcod may not be retained (bag limit: zero).

Yakin · 07-19-2012, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorluivil

unless I'm reading this wrong if you were fishing anything deeper than 360' you were fishing illegally.

Rockfish
The recreational fishery for rockfish (Sebastes sp.) is open to divers² and shore-based anglers year-round. The fishery is open to boat-based anglers from March 1, 2012 through December 31, 2012 (see important NOTE at the end of this section). These species may only be taken or possessed³ in waters less than 360 feet (60 fathoms) deep*. The daily bag and possession limit is 10 fish in combination of all species within the RCG Complex (includes all species of Rockfish, Cabezon and Greenlings) per person, with a sub-limit on bocaccio (2 per person, minimum size limit of 10 inches total length, also included in the 10 fish RCG Complex aggregate limit). Yelloweye rockfish, canary rockfish, bronzespotted rockfish, and cowcod may not be retained (bag limit: zero).

Oh shit thanks for pointing that out jorge I really didn't know that!!

fishsouthcounty · 07-19-2012, 09:46 AM

yaaa George beat me to it...no fishing deeper then 360 in state waters for recreational take of cod.

interesting thought to mike. Like Brett said though, braid lasts forever. You can put 300 yards of PP on for what 30 bucks? Ive heard from multiple people over a couple boards that they've had the same braid on for 5+ years. Depending on your favorite mono you say 5-15 bucks to spool a reel. Multiply by the 5 years you get with the PP and it becomes a pretty cheap investment.

Also like you said you barely ever see the bottom half of the spool. I have also heard of guys flipping their line, respooling their reel by taking the top half thats been exposed to the elements and tying that off to the spool then cranking it on. That way the line on the bottom half that has barely seen sunlight is now the line on the top half that gets put to use.

Yakin · 07-19-2012, 10:09 AM

I guess I am glad I didn't catch anything worth while down there just got hung up

addicted2sp33d · 07-19-2012, 11:39 AM

I always load up with as much line as I can. Like you guys say, it's better to have "too-much" line, than not-enough and get spooled.

All my reels are spinning gear, so if I need to change lines, I just swap spools.

lowprofile · 07-19-2012, 12:10 PM

I back most of my reels half full with50 lb braid then fill the rest with mono.

But most of my reels are used with my baits100 yrds away. For the kayak and a 30 lb rig. 150 yrds of 65 lb braid and10 ft of 30 lb mono top shot and your good. Lighter reels might need more because the fish will be fighting your drag instead of just pulling the kayak and only burning drag when it heads straight down.

PapaDave · 07-19-2012, 01:33 PM

I put as mich line as possible on the reels. Like it is mentioned before, you never know what is going to hit the bait. I do fish with the smaller reels though. I use a Calcutta 250 with #30 braid, my prefered setup, for bass and halibut, a Calcutta 400 with #40 braid for halibut and heavier or deeper fishing, and a Calcutta 700 with #65 braid for trolling bait or Rapala CD's (mostly for T's). All reels are filled to capacity with line. I'm going to hang onto whatever until the last inch.

That being said, I also carry a Stradic 1000F with #15 braid, it is my favorite for playing around with the bass in the kelp.

jorluivil · 07-19-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishsouthcounty

yaaa George beat me to it...no fishing deeper then 360 in state waters for recreational take of cod.

interesting thought to mike. Like Brett said though, braid lasts forever. You can put 300 yards of PP on for what 30 bucks? Ive heard from multiple people over a couple boards that they've had the same braid on for 5+ years. Depending on your favorite mono you say 5-15 bucks to spool a reel. Multiply by the 5 years you get with the PP and it becomes a pretty cheap investment.

Also like you said you barely ever see the bottom half of the spool. I have also heard of guys flipping their line, respooling their reel by taking the top half thats been exposed to the elements and tying that off to the spool then cranking it on. That way the line on the bottom half that has barely seen sunlight is now the line on the top half that gets put to use.

My oldest spectra was 6years old, I lost it during a small yard sale at LJ the same day that this same line landed a 43lb wsb. I love spectra, all but two of my seven reels are spooled with 150yds of PowePro, not a yard more but possibly a few yards less.

lowprofile · 07-19-2012, 04:10 PM

Another thing to consider is your drag. No sense to run50 lb top shot on a reel with12 lbs max drag. And no sense in running only15 lb on a reel that has22lbs of drag.button that down and your fish is gone. I think its funny when guys put40 lb top shot on a Calcutta200. It only has9 lbs of maxed out drag. Run20 or 25.

wiredantz · 07-19-2012, 04:17 PM

I just go to tackle store and tell them to put some spectra on it, and fill it to the top.

They say " you don't need that much"

How much do i need?

"About to here?"

and i go ok lets do it

then they go "how many lbs. "

I go what ever you think.

No problem since. LOL

07-19-2012, 04:10 PM	#9
lowprofile #1 on fishstick's hitlist Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,478	Another thing to consider is your drag. No sense to run50 lb top shot on a reel with12 lbs max drag. And no sense in running only15 lb on a reel that has22lbs of drag.button that down and your fish is gone. I think its funny when guys put40 lb top shot on a Calcutta200. It only has9 lbs of maxed out drag. Run20 or 25. __________________ MLPA- My Largest Poaching Area

07-19-2012, 04:17 PM	#10
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	I just go to tackle store and tell them to put some spectra on it, and fill it to the top. They say " you don't need that much" How much do i need? "About to here?" and i go ok lets do it then they go "how many lbs. " I go what ever you think. No problem since. LOL __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

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07-19-2012, 09:46 AM	#3
fishsouthcounty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Juan Capistrano, Ca Posts: 518	yaaa George beat me to it...no fishing deeper then 360 in state waters for recreational take of cod. interesting thought to mike. Like Brett said though, braid lasts forever. You can put 300 yards of PP on for what 30 bucks? Ive heard from multiple people over a couple boards that they've had the same braid on for 5+ years. Depending on your favorite mono you say 5-15 bucks to spool a reel. Multiply by the 5 years you get with the PP and it becomes a pretty cheap investment. Also like you said you barely ever see the bottom half of the spool. I have also heard of guys flipping their line, respooling their reel by taking the top half thats been exposed to the elements and tying that off to the spool then cranking it on. That way the line on the bottom half that has barely seen sunlight is now the line on the top half that gets put to use.

07-19-2012, 10:09 AM	#4
Yakin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: San Bernardino, CA Posts: 913	I guess I am glad I didn't catch anything worth while down there just got hung up __________________ Remember There are Many Fish in the Sea MEANS MORE TO EAT!!!

07-19-2012, 11:39 AM	#5
addicted2sp33d Here fishy fishy fishy... Join Date: May 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 774	I always load up with as much line as I can. Like you guys say, it's better to have "too-much" line, than not-enough and get spooled. All my reels are spinning gear, so if I need to change lines, I just swap spools.

07-19-2012, 12:10 PM	#6
lowprofile #1 on fishstick's hitlist Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,478	I back most of my reels half full with50 lb braid then fill the rest with mono. But most of my reels are used with my baits100 yrds away. For the kayak and a 30 lb rig. 150 yrds of 65 lb braid and10 ft of 30 lb mono top shot and your good. Lighter reels might need more because the fish will be fighting your drag instead of just pulling the kayak and only burning drag when it heads straight down. __________________ MLPA- My Largest Poaching Area

07-19-2012, 01:33 PM	#7
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,475	I put as mich line as possible on the reels. Like it is mentioned before, you never know what is going to hit the bait. I do fish with the smaller reels though. I use a Calcutta 250 with #30 braid, my prefered setup, for bass and halibut, a Calcutta 400 with #40 braid for halibut and heavier or deeper fishing, and a Calcutta 700 with #65 braid for trolling bait or Rapala CD's (mostly for T's). All reels are filled to capacity with line. I'm going to hang onto whatever until the last inch. That being said, I also carry a Stradic 1000F with #15 braid, it is my favorite for playing around with the bass in the kelp.