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chris138 · 03-17-2015, 02:05 PM

Doesn't matter how many sea lions that sea world "saves". They will die when returned to the wild. There will be a giant die-off because there is no food for them. Their numbers have been artificially inflated since the last period of cold nutrient rich upwelling. Now there is no upwelling on the whole west coast of north america. No upwelling means drastically reduced phytoplankton bio-mass. No phytoplankton means no zooplankton. No zooplankton means no sardines. No sardines means bye-bye sea lion population. The beautiful clear warm subtropical water that we all love so much (including the YT) is actually killing a big part of our marine ecosystem. The kelp beds wont be far behind if water temps have a repeat of last year.

We have rose colored glasses in la jolla because we can almost always find bait. But the east pacific sardine fishery as a whole is on the verge of collapse according to CalCOFI scientists. Some even think the sardine is threatened as a species. The reason people have been feeling like the dogs have gotten worse in the last couple years is because they are all starving.

Don't hate on the dogs because you don't know how to deal with them. As a fisherman they are just as big of an asset as they are a nuisance if you know how to key in on them.

jorluivil · 03-17-2015, 02:30 PM

Funny, we move into their territory and all of a sudden we're the victims.

That's like building a house on the foothills and then complaining that coyotes and bears are eating your pets.

walrus · 03-17-2015, 03:24 PM

People aren't so smart, they stick to bias attitudes regardless of reality. Nature however will change to the circumstances and continue to thrive, although the change may be unpleasant to watch.

The real question is can the current fish population support the Sea Lion population. If not, it's likely a large numbers of Sea Lions will be found along the coast dehydrated and starving. It's nature's way to adjust by eliminating the weak.

If man intervenes by saving the weaker members, the overall population will become weaker. At some point (maybe a thousand years from now) the species will collapse entirely.

But, we won't be here to see that happen, so the compassionate thing to do now, is interfere with nature.

HBOUND808 · 03-17-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Funny, we move into their territory and all of a sudden we're the victims.

That's like building a house on the foothills and then complaining that coyotes and bears are eating your pets.

This!!!

TheBentRod · 03-17-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deamon

There you go popping off again ChuckieD. You're always spouting about your lobster hole but I haven't been taken to it yet. Whatever...maybe next year I guess...

Jim

Yeah Chuck. I want to go to the lobster hole too!

Deamon · 03-17-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBentRod

Yeah Chuck. I want to go to the lobster hole too!

Stan...The MAN! Tell Chuckie...I'm a giver. Now give me that lobster spot ChuckieDee!

EaCyak · 03-17-2015, 06:11 PM

Live and let live

If the seals where gone bait and fish will likely be taken from our kayaks in this manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=hu8JVyidcMI

captnblood34 · 03-17-2015, 07:17 PM

X2 mike haha

driftwood · 03-17-2015, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Funny, we move into their territory and all of a sudden we're the victims.

That's like building a house on the foothills and then complaining that coyotes and bears are eating your pets.

Very good analogy.

03-17-2015, 02:30 PM	#2
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	Funny, we move into their territory and all of a sudden we're the victims. That's like building a house on the foothills and then complaining that coyotes and bears are eating your pets. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

03-17-2015, 03:24 PM	#3
walrus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baja fish camp Posts: 478	People aren't so smart, they stick to bias attitudes regardless of reality. Nature however will change to the circumstances and continue to thrive, although the change may be unpleasant to watch. The real question is can the current fish population support the Sea Lion population. If not, it's likely a large numbers of Sea Lions will be found along the coast dehydrated and starving. It's nature's way to adjust by eliminating the weak. If man intervenes by saving the weaker members, the overall population will become weaker. At some point (maybe a thousand years from now) the species will collapse entirely. But, we won't be here to see that happen, so the compassionate thing to do now, is interfere with nature. __________________

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03-17-2015, 02:05 PM	#1
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	Doesn't matter how many sea lions that sea world "saves". They will die when returned to the wild. There will be a giant die-off because there is no food for them. Their numbers have been artificially inflated since the last period of cold nutrient rich upwelling. Now there is no upwelling on the whole west coast of north america. No upwelling means drastically reduced phytoplankton bio-mass. No phytoplankton means no zooplankton. No zooplankton means no sardines. No sardines means bye-bye sea lion population. The beautiful clear warm subtropical water that we all love so much (including the YT) is actually killing a big part of our marine ecosystem. The kelp beds wont be far behind if water temps have a repeat of last year. We have rose colored glasses in la jolla because we can almost always find bait. But the east pacific sardine fishery as a whole is on the verge of collapse according to CalCOFI scientists. Some even think the sardine is threatened as a species. The reason people have been feeling like the dogs have gotten worse in the last couple years is because they are all starving. Don't hate on the dogs because you don't know how to deal with them. As a fisherman they are just as big of an asset as they are a nuisance if you know how to key in on them.

03-17-2015, 06:11 PM	#7
EaCyak Junior Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 4	Live and let live If the seals where gone bait and fish will likely be taken from our kayaks in this manner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=hu8JVyidcMI

03-17-2015, 07:17 PM	#8
captnblood34 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Otay Posts: 704	X2 mike haha