WT$ do you mean we still have three external proposals? I thought External C is out? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

JoeBeck · 07-23-2009, 01:22 PM

Love the comment from the Florida angler at the bottom of her article/post. Said perfectly.

"Kelly,

We (sport fishermen in Florida) will fight with every ounce of our ability to keep any more MPAs out of Florida waters. Fish populations in Florida haven't been this good in 50 years. We outlawed most commercial fishing and have very stringent limitations on the number and size of fish that are allowed to be kept. These changes have been more than adequate. MPAs are unnecessary and militant. There ultimate purpose is to outlaw fishing altogether. Keep your crazy California crap out there. I support organizations like CCA that help to protect our fishing rights and as Florida's sport fishing industry creates Billions of dollars for our economy we will have the power to fight these refuges. SAY NO TO MPAs."

tylerdurden · 07-23-2009, 03:54 PM

but I thought ext c was gone last time

. That quote shows how little trust I have in the whole thing, and just reinforces why we need to show up.

1Flatfish · 07-23-2009, 05:17 PM

"Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels."

Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla?

"Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud."

Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.)

"And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life."

Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist.

These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see.

Wayne

zenspearo · 07-23-2009, 05:24 PM

Dinosaur populations are down 100% from their historical levels. So is the saber-tooth tiger population.

Closures will save these, along with, as the article mentioned, global warming and acidification! whoo hoo...

All kidding aside, I think fishermen are not objecting to reasonable closures. But it sucks that the law was passed in 1999 based on a $250K/year cost estimate to address water pollution, over-building, over-fishing, etc., and gets turned into an anti-fishing referendum that will cost $30M-$40M a year that the State doesn't have to enforce. And other activities/actors (anchoring, water polluters) that damage habitat more, much more, are given a pass.

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Originally Posted by 1Flatfish

"Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels."

Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla?

"Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud."

Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.)

"And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life."

Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist.

These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see.

Wayne

Billy V · 07-23-2009, 05:44 PM

Wake up Fellas.....
Ken Wiseman is Fixing to Shove it Straight up Your A*se. Just like He did with the Vote on the External "C" Map the last time.

We need you to show up in Force at this BRTF Meeting on July 28th. and Again on August 4th.

We need it now, not later.

07-23-2009, 03:54 PM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	but I thought ext c was gone last time . That quote shows how little trust I have in the whole thing, and just reinforces why we need to show up. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

07-23-2009, 05:17 PM	#3
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	Huffington Post letter "Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels." Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla? "Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud." Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.) "And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life." Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist. These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see. Wayne

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07-23-2009, 01:22 PM	#1
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Love the comment from the Florida angler at the bottom of her article/post. Said perfectly. "Kelly, We (sport fishermen in Florida) will fight with every ounce of our ability to keep any more MPAs out of Florida waters. Fish populations in Florida haven't been this good in 50 years. We outlawed most commercial fishing and have very stringent limitations on the number and size of fish that are allowed to be kept. These changes have been more than adequate. MPAs are unnecessary and militant. There ultimate purpose is to outlaw fishing altogether. Keep your crazy California crap out there. I support organizations like CCA that help to protect our fishing rights and as Florida's sport fishing industry creates Billions of dollars for our economy we will have the power to fight these refuges. SAY NO TO MPAs."

07-23-2009, 05:44 PM	#5
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Wake up Fellas..... Ken Wiseman is Fixing to Shove it Straight up Your Ase. Just like He did with the Vote on the External "C" Map the last time. We need you to show up in Force at this BRTF Meeting on July 28th. and Again on August 4th.* We need it now, not later.