Thank you! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

nunyabizness1 · 08-04-2009, 05:45 AM

Very nice presentation Tyler. You definitely had the attention of the crowd!

CurtyL · 08-04-2009, 07:59 AM

Tyler crushed it and Josh did a nice job too. But I agree with the comments on another post. This is all just theater. Elaborate theater masking as science, but theater nonetheless. The decsions are being made with or without pubic coment and possibly even true Stakeholder buy-in (I guess the workgroups will soon show their true colors) This one will get away from us for sure, the question is just how far. My guess is that between the three surviving maps, Ext A and Lapis 1 will cancel eachother out and Topaz 1 - or some version of it - will be the "meet in the middle" that was discussed so often yesterday. Great showing by the fishing contingent though. I'm exploring new launch sites this weekend.

tylerdurden · 08-04-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CurtyL

...This is all just theater. Elaborate theater masking as science, but theater nonetheless... My guess is that between the three surviving maps, Ext A and Lapis 1 will cancel eachother out and Topaz 1 - or some version of it - will be the "meet in the middle" that was discussed so often yesterday...

I really hope you are wrong...but like you I have serious doubts. My greatest hope is based on the precedent set in the region already finished. The only thing that made any difference was massive angler turnout at the end. We got involved a little earlier, so maybe we will get better results. The proof will be in the maps presented. After talking to some of the more pro closure orgs reps in the lobby, I feel better even about Lapis 1 and kayakers. Whether it was all just lip service will be sorted out when we see the maps.

No matter how its sorted out Lapis 1 will be the worst for fishermen in general, as they will try and get it to the preferred SAT guidelines. The guidelines, and other constrainents such as Navy usage and outfall pipes really limit where MPA's can and can't go, leaving them few options to meet the guidelines. I too think what comes out of Topaz may be the BRTF preferred map. I was hoping my presentation would really get the middle ground or even proclosure people to take it easy on kayak spots.

dgax65 · 08-04-2009, 10:03 AM

Tyler, your presentation was excellent. You really had a clear, concise message and it was well-delivered. Being one of the early speakers also helped. The room was still packed and everybody was paying attention. I looked around the room and even the "blue shirts" seemed to be interested in what you were saying. Good job.

fryguy · 08-04-2009, 02:23 PM

Is there a video of the meeting available for public viewing. I really wanted to see Tyler's presentation, but could hardly make out what was said or the presented because of a shitty spot in the room and all the commotion. I checked the MLPA website and could not find it.

Also, on a different note, can someone explain SMCAs to me. Does anyone have any information on what type of fishing may be allowed in these areas? I'm big on fishing south LJ kelp near tourmaline, and Topaz currently suggests an SMCA for this area. I know the map is a work in progress, but if anyone has any input on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

tylerdurden · 08-04-2009, 03:23 PM

Penguinpower (bing) posted a link to the video archive of the meeting and public commentary complete with timestamps of notable events.

fryguy, every single SMCA is different. You can go to the link here:
http://marinemap.org/marinemap/
and use that to check the boundaries of each proposed reserve. You can click on each individual SMCA. Some may as well be red SMR's with no recreational fishing allowed. Others allow pelagic take only (yt, wsb, thresher), and others such as the one currently near the Scripps pier only ban invert take, so no lobster can be taken, but anything else is fair game.

Here is the allowed take from the Topaz SMCA near the tourmaline area.

Allowed Uses
Target	Method	Use Type
38	Lobster	Trap	commercial
41	Lobster	Diving	recreational
43	Urchin	Diving	commercial
51	Urchin	Diving	recreational

so cal shaggy · 08-04-2009, 03:30 PM

Here is a link to all meetings both previous and present http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=MLPA-BRTF&folder=MLPA-CCRSG&folder=MLPA-SAT&folder=MLPA-SW&folder=CFG-MLPAJoint;folder=MLPA-NCCRSG;folder=MLPA-SCRSG
they are archived by date and separated by type of meeting it was.

Here is a link to youtube with a comprehensive explanation (simply explained) about the whole process including all of the acronyms and what they mean and what can be done in that area http://www.youtube.com/user/mlpainfo

08-04-2009, 10:03 AM	#4
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	Tyler, your presentation was excellent. You really had a clear, concise message and it was well-delivered. Being one of the early speakers also helped. The room was still packed and everybody was paying attention. I looked around the room and even the "blue shirts" seemed to be interested in what you were saying. Good job. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

08-04-2009, 02:23 PM	#5
fryguy Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san diego Posts: 33	Is there a video of the meeting available for public viewing. I really wanted to see Tyler's presentation, but could hardly make out what was said or the presented because of a shitty spot in the room and all the commotion. I checked the MLPA website and could not find it. Also, on a different note, can someone explain SMCAs to me. Does anyone have any information on what type of fishing may be allowed in these areas? I'm big on fishing south LJ kelp near tourmaline, and Topaz currently suggests an SMCA for this area. I know the map is a work in progress, but if anyone has any input on this, it would be greatly appreciated. Last edited by fryguy; 08-04-2009 at 02:45 PM.

08-04-2009, 03:30 PM	#7
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	Here is a link to all meetings both previous and present http://www.cal-span.org/cgi-bin/media.pl?folder=MLPA-BRTF&folder=MLPA-CCRSG&folder=MLPA-SAT&folder=MLPA-SW&folder=CFG-MLPAJoint;folder=MLPA-NCCRSG;folder=MLPA-SCRSG they are archived by date and separated by type of meeting it was. Here is a link to youtube with a comprehensive explanation (simply explained) about the whole process including all of the acronyms and what they mean and what can be done in that area http://www.youtube.com/user/mlpainfo __________________ Thanks, Jeff

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08-04-2009, 05:45 AM	#1
nunyabizness1 Maggie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nunya Posts: 126	Very nice presentation Tyler. You definitely had the attention of the crowd!

08-04-2009, 07:59 AM	#2
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	Tyler crushed it and Josh did a nice job too. But I agree with the comments on another post. This is all just theater. Elaborate theater masking as science, but theater nonetheless. The decsions are being made with or without pubic coment and possibly even true Stakeholder buy-in (I guess the workgroups will soon show their true colors) This one will get away from us for sure, the question is just how far. My guess is that between the three surviving maps, Ext A and Lapis 1 will cancel eachother out and Topaz 1 - or some version of it - will be the "meet in the middle" that was discussed so often yesterday. Great showing by the fishing contingent though. I'm exploring new launch sites this weekend.