We thought LJ and the SMM were safe - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tylerdurden · 09-08-2009, 02:53 PM

Everyone, we have to remain polite. Just think about what being rude, making perosonal attacks, or anything else will accomplish? Nothing. It will piss people off, especially the open minded middle ground that would be a huge benefit to our side.

I know this thing sucks. I am very frustrated with the whole thing. I know it isn't even right or fair, but at this point we are playing the hand we are dealt. If we had involved in stacking the deck earlier like they did we wouldn't be in so much trouble now.

Oh yeah, and the excuses of the people that can't make it are getting really lame. I will give the people that have attended multiple meetings already a pass. The same tired example, if you skip work to fish, why not skip it for this meeting to ensure you can fish in the future. For those that haven't been to a meeting yet, or only attended one, what are you waiting for? We are running out of chances. When you drive by your favorite launch spot next year and it's closed down, you may kick yourself. "If only I had attended a couple of those meetings I could still fish."

B Slate · 09-08-2009, 06:35 PM

School or mlpa meeting?
Hmmm thats a stupid question
See you all there

I could sure use some good luck Karma

dgax65 · 09-08-2009, 07:50 PM

I'll be there. I hope we get a better turn-out than we did at the Santa Monica meeting.

FISHIONADO · 09-09-2009, 06:07 AM

I really want to attend but that is the only day my hair stylist is available.

forcefed · 09-09-2009, 10:22 AM

im with rob on this one,
at this point in the process, were screwed no matter what. At this point we should be looking at the appeals process.
It makes me wonder if we had boycotted this process from the beginning, and they had no cross interest assistance in the development, if this whole thing would be looked at as a joke. Instead we can read from them "we have worked together to create this" and we have...
You can just sit there quietly, speak about "your preferd map" thats exactly what they want you to do.
or you can make a statement that will make an impact, maybe even rattle someones nerves
we joined in on this only to become tools of the process.

I for one declare revolt against the dfg and would call them out by name and demand those involved be held accountable.

JrBasser · 09-09-2009, 01:44 PM

I am really hoping I can make it, but I won't know till later tonight!

We had the worst harrassment trying to launch at the childrens pool this past weekend. The beach next to the childrens pool had some narly surf, so we took advantage of the pool to launch. despite the fact that no seals were on the beach, and the farthest we got was to the end of the steps, we had a lady filming us rigging lines at our car making phone calls to report us for "purposfully flushing over 100 seals off the beach." She even claimed to have a witness. The funny thing is "her witness" was the only one there when we arrived. After a few TMZ paparrazzi jokes from my brother as we walked down the stairs with a camera in our face, she even made a comment as to how badly she wanted to push me down the stairs as I walked past her. It's kind of sad that we are at this big of a risk of losing our favorite pasttime, yet the evidence against us is, for the most part, a load of shit. Especially when the harrassment on a fellow HUMAN is even worse than any fisherman would intentionally do to a seal.

GregAndrew · 09-09-2009, 07:32 PM

I am sure the maps would have looked very much the way they do now without any input from our side. The differences that have and hopefully will continue to be made are minor adjustments to the MPAs but major adjustments to our ability to continue fishing while the legal challenges are being mounted and fought. If none of our guys had fought the good fight we would not be fishing La Jolla, North Palos Verdes, or Malibu at all. The drivers of this process have been hell bent on taking a huge portion of our best habitats, and nothing we did would have stopped them. They have changed almost every rule they have come up with and ignored most of the "Science" involved in creating Marine Reserves. But we need to keep bumping them as they drop their cookie cutter molds into the ocean so that we have something left.

09-08-2009, 02:53 PM	#1
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Everyone, we have to remain polite. Just think about what being rude, making perosonal attacks, or anything else will accomplish? Nothing. It will piss people off, especially the open minded middle ground that would be a huge benefit to our side. I know this thing sucks. I am very frustrated with the whole thing. I know it isn't even right or fair, but at this point we are playing the hand we are dealt. If we had involved in stacking the deck earlier like they did we wouldn't be in so much trouble now. Oh yeah, and the excuses of the people that can't make it are getting really lame. I will give the people that have attended multiple meetings already a pass. The same tired example, if you skip work to fish, why not skip it for this meeting to ensure you can fish in the future. For those that haven't been to a meeting yet, or only attended one, what are you waiting for? We are running out of chances. When you drive by your favorite launch spot next year and it's closed down, you may kick yourself. "If only I had attended a couple of those meetings I could still fish." __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

09-08-2009, 07:50 PM	#3
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	I'll be there. I hope we get a better turn-out than we did at the Santa Monica meeting. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

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09-08-2009, 06:35 PM	#2
B Slate Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Verne Posts: 92	School or mlpa meeting? Hmmm thats a stupid question See you all there I could sure use some good luck Karma

09-09-2009, 06:07 AM	#4
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I really want to attend but that is the only day my hair stylist is available.

09-09-2009, 10:22 AM	#5
forcefed Junior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: West of the Rockies Posts: 7	im with rob on this one, at this point in the process, were screwed no matter what. At this point we should be looking at the appeals process. It makes me wonder if we had boycotted this process from the beginning, and they had no cross interest assistance in the development, if this whole thing would be looked at as a joke. Instead we can read from them "we have worked together to create this" and we have... You can just sit there quietly, speak about "your preferd map" thats exactly what they want you to do. or you can make a statement that will make an impact, maybe even rattle someones nerves we joined in on this only to become tools of the process. I for one declare revolt against the dfg and would call them out by name and demand those involved be held accountable.

09-09-2009, 01:44 PM	#6
JrBasser Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 260	I am really hoping I can make it, but I won't know till later tonight! We had the worst harrassment trying to launch at the childrens pool this past weekend. The beach next to the childrens pool had some narly surf, so we took advantage of the pool to launch. despite the fact that no seals were on the beach, and the farthest we got was to the end of the steps, we had a lady filming us rigging lines at our car making phone calls to report us for "purposfully flushing over 100 seals off the beach." She even claimed to have a witness. The funny thing is "her witness" was the only one there when we arrived. After a few TMZ paparrazzi jokes from my brother as we walked down the stairs with a camera in our face, she even made a comment as to how badly she wanted to push me down the stairs as I walked past her. It's kind of sad that we are at this big of a risk of losing our favorite pasttime, yet the evidence against us is, for the most part, a load of shit. Especially when the harrassment on a fellow HUMAN is even worse than any fisherman would intentionally do to a seal.

09-09-2009, 07:32 PM	#7
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	I am sure the maps would have looked very much the way they do now without any input from our side. The differences that have and hopefully will continue to be made are minor adjustments to the MPAs but major adjustments to our ability to continue fishing while the legal challenges are being mounted and fought. If none of our guys had fought the good fight we would not be fishing La Jolla, North Palos Verdes, or Malibu at all. The drivers of this process have been hell bent on taking a huge portion of our best habitats, and nothing we did would have stopped them. They have changed almost every rule they have come up with and ignored most of the "Science" involved in creating Marine Reserves. But we need to keep bumping them as they drop their cookie cutter molds into the ocean so that we have something left.