Question from a prospective newb - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

blitzburgh · 01-23-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

There's no way you're putting a PA on a roofrack

Well, I would'nt exactly say no way.........

jorluivil · 01-23-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blitzburgh

Well, I would'nt exactly say no way.........

Is that safe? I was basing this on the amount of weight that the racks state they should carry and the fact that he has a bad back.

wiredantz · 01-23-2012, 12:55 PM

I know my sedan can carry about 160lbs on the roof, the big plastic boat should be fine.....

maybe .... lol

blitzburgh · 01-23-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Is that safe? I was basing this on the amount of weight that the racks state they should carry and the fact that he has a bad back.

Completely. I've been hauling that pig around on Thule racks since March of 2010, in all kinds of conditions. They've got a published max load of 165 lbs. You're probably right about the bad back though.

RK · 01-23-2012, 12:59 PM

If your fishing within small areas,
maybe look into one of those pontoon kick boats, youll be able to unzip and piss with ease and your legs will be extended however you need..
That being said the Hobies are incredibly well built fishing crafts without a doubt the best crafted and surprisingly hold value well...
But a bit pricey especially the PA.
If you dont need to travel far and want a kayak u may want to look into the malibu stealth, I loved the 12 (just tracvked like shit and was slow)and for a bigger dude the 14 would probably be the call, you may never use the livewell flyfishing the bays, but in a lake you can throw your rainbow trout in there and keep em alive till you leave, and most importantly the stability and catsing platform are great for the money.
And Im sure Andy (iceman) has one in stock for you to try.

01-23-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Is that safe? I was basing this on the amount of weight that the racks state they should carry and the fact that he has a bad back.

I carry my Hobie PA on my roofracks as well. I have a Scion XB toaster box with Yakima racks. I find loading my PA at 135lbs 100000x easier than loading my 65lb Malibu stealth into some J racks. Once someone shows you how to do it, it becomes easy. Takes 2 minutes to get it on and off, all by myself and I also have a bad back.

Streak · 01-23-2012, 03:53 PM

Thanks again.
My back is not that screwed I just have a tendency for lower back pain and if I am seated in kayak position for many hours it may give me grief. Maybe Drake has a point though!

Stinky, I like the idea of cheap to start. I dont want to buy too wrong such that it puts me off totally. What length and type (sit on , sit in, width etc.) should I be looking for?

Also, in a non hobie, how do you guys handle the current and wind wanting to turn the boat while you are fishing? Remember I will be fly fishing so there will be even more time between positioning the boat and getting the cast off.

Amish Ed · 01-23-2012, 05:54 PM

One problem that might occur with a Hobie is that drive and the big hole sucking up your line. You'd have to paddle with any line on the deck. A regular paddle style yak will give you lots of room to strip your line without tangles.

I have a really bad back and have found some yaks better than others. I usually last about 5-6hrs before the pain is too much. If you start hurting you can always throw your legs over the side too. That makes a big difference to your body posture.

Streak · 01-23-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Amish Ed

One problem that might occur with a Hobie is that drive and the big hole sucking up your line. You'd have to paddle with any line on the deck. A regular paddle style yak will give you lots of room to strip your line without tangles.

I have a really bad back and have found some yaks better than others. I usually last about 5-6hrs before the pain is too much. If you start hurting you can always throw your legs over the side too. That makes a big difference to your body posture.

Many thanks Ed. Very good point about the line.
Now to find the one yak thats better than others on the back.
I think I will be in one of the Ocean Kayak models this week for a few hours. Lets see how it goes.

Podaker · 01-23-2012, 08:49 PM

for your back, spend a liitle extra for a good seat/backrest. oex has a good selection. as far as seasickness, west marine sells a product called "motion ease" it is all natural and safe for all ages. you can apply it even after you feel sick. i have seen it work on my friends. just put a few drops on your finger and rub it in behind your ears.

battleborn · 01-24-2012, 06:21 PM

I went from pontoon boat with a casting platform to kayak pretty recently. You seem to be asking the same questions I asked myself. I love fly fishing and being able to stand up was mandatory. Several kayaks fit that bill. Then I also use gear tackle and see myself trolling at times you can troll with both paddle or peddle kayaks. Are you going to want to be able to multitask ie, change flies, lures, eat, etc while on the move then you will need hands free. Storage is important figure out how much gear you going to bring how you are going to store your rods. For me I was sold on the PA horizontal rod storage. While fishing fresh water I had my craft drift into the reeds or brush along the banks and was worried about a 9ft fly rod getting the tip busted off. I have taken it in the salt and fresh water. So in the end I got the PA and I do not regret it one bit. Yeah it was pricey but look for deals on Craigslist. I got mine at fast lane sailing in MB got a good deal. The real factor is going to be your pocket book. I had to wait a while for one to show up in my price range and persistence paid off. Good luck only you will know what yak is right for you!

xpresso2am · 03-26-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Streak

Many thanks Ed. Very good point about the line.
Now to find the one yak thats better than others on the back.
I think I will be in one of the Ocean Kayak models this week for a few hours. Lets see how it goes.

Streak,

Bring your fly rod to the OEX tournament, I'll let you fish off my PA for a trial. I also fly fish off of it and it works great.

Any way you go, welcome to the world of kayak fishing! its a great bunch of people!

Mobsan · 03-30-2012, 07:06 AM

Ask your Doctor for a few Scopolamine patches and put them on several hours before you head out. They will dry your mouth and throat out a bit, so bring lots of water. We use them on ventilated patients that have tons of oral secretions and it works very well. Fortunately I have never had a problem with motion sickness so I can't speak firsthand as to their effectiveness. I have seen some guys on party boats wear them and they swear they work great. You just need a prescription. Good luck.

silverbullet · 03-25-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

I carry my Hobie PA on my roofracks as well. ...Takes 2 minutes to get it on and off, all by myself and I also have a bad back.

Same... carry mine on a hybrid Ford Escape....beach loads, sidewalk-down-the-stairs, and on the ramp... factory rails with Yakima crossbars (that's it).

I've hit 80mph with it on the roof and though it totally craps the gas mileage the racks held.

Check Drakes video on PA loading...it is simple. People still ask if they can give me a hand. It is much easier alone than with help.

mtnbykr2 · 01-23-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blitzburgh

Well, I would'nt exactly say no way.........

I was wonderin' does the air deflector help?...lol kiddin...great picture

blitzburgh · 01-23-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mtnbykr2

I was wonderin' does the air deflector help?...lol kiddin...great picture

Yeah it helps a lot. They call it a Fairing. It's reduces wind noise big time.

01-23-2012, 02:26 PM

Coming from someone with the back of a 80yr old man. I never have back issues in either of my kayaks. I had a High Back GTS Expedition Seat, and 4+ hours in my Stealth would not leave me feeling any pain or discomfort. Now, 8+ hours in my Hobie Pro Angler, and I feel great! No discomfort at all. All my pain is in my lower back, and the kayak does nothing to irritate or promote back pain. In fact, since having the Hobie, I have had less daily pain in my back due to the theory that "Motion is lotion"

StinkyMatt · 01-23-2012, 02:28 PM

I float tubed for many years and still miss it often.....NOT.

Get a fat stable kayak that will not make you feel uncomfortable out there.

Even if you feel like you are going to only fish bays, YOU WILL eventually want to venture out in the open again. You will.

The doctor prescribed patches work great for avoiding sickness, however you will feel a little fuzzy or behind some fog all day. The patch also made me have dry mouth like hell. I can tell you for sure that for ME ,the more I went on the water the less I started puking. I still puke one in a while but thats only when I see George pulling out a limit of WSB.

Don't be stuck on a Hobie, buy something really cheap and later upgrade if you decide to stick with it. Hobies are great (have one) but there are many, many incredible fishermen catching huge fish from non-hobies.

Hey in a kayak you can piss any time, sometimes it might even be not all over yourself!

Welcome to BWE.

01-23-2012, 12:55 PM	#3
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	I know my sedan can carry about 160lbs on the roof, the big plastic boat should be fine..... maybe .... lol __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

01-23-2012, 05:54 PM	#8
Amish Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 1,906	One problem that might occur with a Hobie is that drive and the big hole sucking up your line. You'd have to paddle with any line on the deck. A regular paddle style yak will give you lots of room to strip your line without tangles. I have a really bad back and have found some yaks better than others. I usually last about 5-6hrs before the pain is too much. If you start hurting you can always throw your legs over the side too. That makes a big difference to your body posture. __________________ Amish Ed You can't catch it again if it's dead!

03-30-2012, 07:06 AM	#13
Mobsan Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Carmel Valley Posts: 40	Scopolamine Patch Ask your Doctor for a few Scopolamine patches and put them on several hours before you head out. They will dry your mouth and throat out a bit, so bring lots of water. We use them on ventilated patients that have tons of oral secretions and it works very well. Fortunately I have never had a problem with motion sickness so I can't speak firsthand as to their effectiveness. I have seen some guys on party boats wear them and they swear they work great. You just need a prescription. Good luck.

01-23-2012, 12:59 PM	#5
RK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 736	If your fishing within small areas, maybe look into one of those pontoon kick boats, youll be able to unzip and piss with ease and your legs will be extended however you need.. That being said the Hobies are incredibly well built fishing crafts without a doubt the best crafted and surprisingly hold value well... But a bit pricey especially the PA. If you dont need to travel far and want a kayak u may want to look into the malibu stealth, I loved the 12 (just tracvked like shit and was slow)and for a bigger dude the 14 would probably be the call, you may never use the livewell flyfishing the bays, but in a lake you can throw your rainbow trout in there and keep em alive till you leave, and most importantly the stability and catsing platform are great for the money. And Im sure Andy (iceman) has one in stock for you to try.

01-23-2012, 03:53 PM	#7
Streak Junior Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 15	Thanks again. My back is not that screwed I just have a tendency for lower back pain and if I am seated in kayak position for many hours it may give me grief. Maybe Drake has a point though! Stinky, I like the idea of cheap to start. I dont want to buy too wrong such that it puts me off totally. What length and type (sit on , sit in, width etc.) should I be looking for? Also, in a non hobie, how do you guys handle the current and wind wanting to turn the boat while you are fishing? Remember I will be fly fishing so there will be even more time between positioning the boat and getting the cast off.

01-23-2012, 08:49 PM	#10
Podaker Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: la jolla shores Posts: 86	for your back, spend a liitle extra for a good seat/backrest. oex has a good selection. as far as seasickness, west marine sells a product called "motion ease" it is all natural and safe for all ages. you can apply it even after you feel sick. i have seen it work on my friends. just put a few drops on your finger and rub it in behind your ears.

01-24-2012, 06:21 PM	#11
battleborn Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 221	I went from pontoon boat with a casting platform to kayak pretty recently. You seem to be asking the same questions I asked myself. I love fly fishing and being able to stand up was mandatory. Several kayaks fit that bill. Then I also use gear tackle and see myself trolling at times you can troll with both paddle or peddle kayaks. Are you going to want to be able to multitask ie, change flies, lures, eat, etc while on the move then you will need hands free. Storage is important figure out how much gear you going to bring how you are going to store your rods. For me I was sold on the PA horizontal rod storage. While fishing fresh water I had my craft drift into the reeds or brush along the banks and was worried about a 9ft fly rod getting the tip busted off. I have taken it in the salt and fresh water. So in the end I got the PA and I do not regret it one bit. Yeah it was pricey but look for deals on Craigslist. I got mine at fast lane sailing in MB got a good deal. The real factor is going to be your pocket book. I had to wait a while for one to show up in my price range and persistence paid off. Good luck only you will know what yak is right for you!

01-23-2012, 02:26 PM	#17
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	Coming from someone with the back of a 80yr old man. I never have back issues in either of my kayaks. I had a High Back GTS Expedition Seat, and 4+ hours in my Stealth would not leave me feeling any pain or discomfort. Now, 8+ hours in my Hobie Pro Angler, and I feel great! No discomfort at all. All my pain is in my lower back, and the kayak does nothing to irritate or promote back pain. In fact, since having the Hobie, I have had less daily pain in my back due to the theory that "Motion is lotion"

01-23-2012, 02:28 PM	#18
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,169	I float tubed for many years and still miss it often.....NOT. Get a fat stable kayak that will not make you feel uncomfortable out there. Even if you feel like you are going to only fish bays, YOU WILL eventually want to venture out in the open again. You will. The doctor prescribed patches work great for avoiding sickness, however you will feel a little fuzzy or behind some fog all day. The patch also made me have dry mouth like hell. I can tell you for sure that for ME ,the more I went on the water the less I started puking. I still puke one in a while but thats only when I see George pulling out a limit of WSB. Don't be stuck on a Hobie, buy something really cheap and later upgrade if you decide to stick with it. Hobies are great (have one) but there are many, many incredible fishermen catching huge fish from non-hobies. Hey in a kayak you can piss any time, sometimes it might even be not all over yourself! Welcome to BWE.