L.J. High Stick For The Day (Tues. 4/24 Late Report) - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dorado50 · 04-28-2012, 12:15 PM

Again your logic escapes me!. Alot of my(and others I'm sure) best and biggest fish were caught on "blind stupid luck". This type of luck is very welcomed at tournament time by the way. Fish are caught in a variety of ways,no matter how or why. A PA won't help you catch fish any better than a float tube. I hope you figure it all out someday......

seriola_killer · 04-28-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dorado50

Again your logic escapes me!. Alot of my(and others I'm sure) best and biggest fish were caught on "blind stupid luck". This type of luck is very welcomed at tournament time by the way. Fish are caught in a variety of ways,no matter how or why. A PA won't help you catch fish any better than a float tube. I hope you figure it all out someday......

Blind stupid luck hits all of us. My point was about learning taking a precedence over blind luck results. Yes, indeed, I want to catch fish. But I would like to catch fish knowing WHY I caught fish. That was my point, and my logic.

I wrote originally that as of right now my secondary priority was catching fish, not my top priority. What I meant was that learning was the top priority to me. The secondary priority would take care of itself if I took care of the top priority.

As far as the PA comment I originally made, I meant that if I had no interest whatsoever in catching fish I wouldn't have gotten it. Not sure what you were inferring regarding the float tube / PA in your reply as it didn't really have anything to do with my intention in the previous post when I made the PA comment.

lamb · 04-28-2012, 04:17 PM

Nice report, I like.
It's got that ol' school feel.

Ditto on likely yella' for that bite.
Sure you can figure it out yourself - hiring a guide will certainly shorten up the learning curve.
It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong - it's just the matter of time.

seriola_killer · 04-28-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lamb

Nice report, I like.
It's got that ol' school feel.

Ditto on likely yella' for that bite.
Sure you can figure it out yourself - hiring a guide will certainly shorten up the learning curve.
It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong - it's just the matter of time.

Thanks Lamb! Certainly gonna hit Josh up when the schedule allows me. Can't wait to absorb what I can from him and you all on this site! Most definitely a wealth of knowledge abounds here.

Aaron&Julie · 04-28-2012, 07:47 PM

Again, Jerry, not to discount your theories. But...
Julie and I are so old-school, if they still had 286 computers, that's probably what we'd own. I wouldn't own a cell phone if it wasn't for the need to be on alert for job interviews and such.
We don't have fish finders. We won't be getting peddlers, until we're in our 60s (less than a decade away), or our Fish 'n' Dives take a dive. Our bait tanks are great, but homemade, etc, etc.
If your #1 priority is learning, but also "paying dues", you're cheating yourself by going the guide route. How's that paying dues?
We never took the guide route. Back when we started, Jim Sammons was the "only" guide. But, if you want to learn fast and have early success, there's little doubt, both The Kid and Darkhorse can take you there.
We always joked about barnacles, our reference to someone following in your wake because they've read about your success, which often leads to ruining one's own chances at catching fish. Anytime, we'd see Iceman, Arne, Madscientist, etc, we might come by and say hello, but we never barnacle-ized to them, which is another thing you and others might learn here, from an etiquette standpoint.
Now, of course, if there was a bite going on in the area they were fishing, all bets are off. Short of running a PB at 10 knots smack into the middle of the "hot zone", everyone should be allowed to score when the right kind are biting.
If it's the learning by experience route you want, make bait where you can, fish like others, baits high and low, in the only places allowed by the MLPA, and you'll eventually get your fish, and experience.

seriola_killer · 04-28-2012, 08:14 PM

Appreciate your input Aaron (or is it Julie), indeed I want to learn. Certainly I want to learn at an accelerated pace, which is why JP's phone will be ringing sooner rather than later. Yes, I want to earn my fish based upon what I have learned. Whether it be my own experiences or with a pro guide.

Aaron&Julie · 04-29-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by seriola_killer

Appreciate your input Aaron (or is it Julie), indeed I want to learn. Certainly I want to learn at an accelerated pace, which is why JP's phone will be ringing sooner rather than later. Yes, I want to earn my fish based upon what I have learned. Whether it be my own experiences or with a pro guide.

Mostly, Aaron. When it's a report, it's usually both of us. We use the 3rd person, often in our posts...
She's accelerated in her skills, because of my teachings. Before, me, no yellows or tuna. Now, we can go on any overnight tuna trip, and I know she'll hang with anyone, except me

Big T · 04-29-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dorado50

Again your logic escapes me!. Alot of my(and others I'm sure) best and biggest fish were caught on "blind stupid luck". This type of luck is very welcomed at tournament time by the way. Fish are caught in a variety of ways,no matter how or why. A PA won't help you catch fish any better than a float tube. I hope you figure it all out someday......

I kinda look at fishing how some look at a Hole-In-One on the golf course.... To get it to the green in one drive is pure skill. To make it directly into the hole on that same shot is pure luck. So getting on the fish, making bait takes "knowledge" but getting them to suck one down can be maddeningly random at times.

So, SK.... be one with the randomness... Be 100% satisfied with dumb luck, just be sure to keep a mental note of what, when, where, why and how high you were when it happened and eventually that randomness becomes surprisingly predictable. Dunno HOW that happens...??

dwntwnall4u · 04-29-2012, 06:06 PM

I'd definitely would hire a professional guide at first so you can get the feel of a catching a primo sized fish. I went out with the Sea Samurai last December and I must say a 41 lb. YT sure hits like a freight train! And now I know I can handle it by myself next time.

So now I have a bit more confidence, but I'm definitely still far from a good kayak fisherman. Only time on the water will help get you better.

04-28-2012, 04:17 PM	#3
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	Nice report, I like. It's got that ol' school feel. Ditto on likely yella' for that bite. Sure you can figure it out yourself - hiring a guide will certainly shorten up the learning curve. It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong - it's just the matter of time. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

04-28-2012, 07:47 PM	#5
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	Again, Jerry, not to discount your theories. But... Julie and I are so old-school, if they still had 286 computers, that's probably what we'd own. I wouldn't own a cell phone if it wasn't for the need to be on alert for job interviews and such. We don't have fish finders. We won't be getting peddlers, until we're in our 60s (less than a decade away), or our Fish 'n' Dives take a dive. Our bait tanks are great, but homemade, etc, etc. If your #1 priority is learning, but also "paying dues", you're cheating yourself by going the guide route. How's that paying dues? We never took the guide route. Back when we started, Jim Sammons was the "only" guide. But, if you want to learn fast and have early success, there's little doubt, both The Kid and Darkhorse can take you there. We always joked about barnacles, our reference to someone following in your wake because they've read about your success, which often leads to ruining one's own chances at catching fish. Anytime, we'd see Iceman, Arne, Madscientist, etc, we might come by and say hello, but we never barnacle-ized to them, which is another thing you and others might learn here, from an etiquette standpoint. Now, of course, if there was a bite going on in the area they were fishing, all bets are off. Short of running a PB at 10 knots smack into the middle of the "hot zone", everyone should be allowed to score when the right kind are biting. If it's the learning by experience route you want, make bait where you can, fish like others, baits high and low, in the only places allowed by the MLPA, and you'll eventually get your fish, and experience. __________________ "Never say die"

04-28-2012, 08:14 PM	#6
seriola_killer Sled Peddler Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bonita, Ca. Posts: 236	Appreciate your input Aaron (or is it Julie), indeed I want to learn. Certainly I want to learn at an accelerated pace, which is why JP's phone will be ringing sooner rather than later. Yes, I want to earn my fish based upon what I have learned. Whether it be my own experiences or with a pro guide. __________________ Jerry Moore Need a car or truck to yaul your yak? Ring me up. (619)988-3325

04-28-2012, 12:15 PM	#1
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Again your logic escapes me!. Alot of my(and others I'm sure) best and biggest fish were caught on "blind stupid luck". This type of luck is very welcomed at tournament time by the way. Fish are caught in a variety of ways,no matter how or why. A PA won't help you catch fish any better than a float tube. I hope you figure it all out someday......

04-29-2012, 06:06 PM	#9
dwntwnall4u Kevin C. Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Diego/Hawaii Posts: 146	I'd definitely would hire a professional guide at first so you can get the feel of a catching a primo sized fish. I went out with the Sea Samurai last December and I must say a 41 lb. YT sure hits like a freight train! And now I know I can handle it by myself next time. So now I have a bit more confidence, but I'm definitely still far from a good kayak fisherman. Only time on the water will help get you better.