anyone ever hook something they didnt want. ( lj 1 /12 )

Originally Posted by TJones

65 / 50 floro . With solid connection. he wasnt coming unbuttoned. Believe me . I feel awful .

If I get hung up, on a wreck or 500lb mammal I always put it in free spool as Greg Suggested, point the rod backward and lay it over my shoulder like I'm carrying a rifle but pointed straight back. Place both thumbs on the spool and peddle in the opposite direction. Something will always break.

[GregAndrew]

Personally, I think anything over 40# leader is way too much for kayak fishing. If you can't break it without going over then it is probably too much. With 450 yards of braid, there is no game fish you would want to land at LJ that requires any more than 40#.

[capntim]

Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Personally, I think anything over 40# leader is way too much for kayak fishing. If you can't break it without going over then it is probably too much. With 450 yards of braid, there is no game fish you would want to land at LJ that requires any more than 40#.

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[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Personally, I think anything over 40# leader is way too much for kayak fishing. If you can't break it without going over then it is probably too much. With 450 yards of braid, there is no game fish you would want to land at LJ that requires any more than 40#.

100% Agree.

[knightnsd]

Some posts and comments are better left un-said, seems like there were a lot of them in this thread.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by knightnsd

Some posts and comments are better left un-said, seems like there were a lot of them in this thread.

Yeah well my take is threads like this are good because they get people to think about things they otherwise would not know. The scenario above is not something that happens every day, but when it does happen it's good to know what to do.

I'm really only responding though just to add something.

When you break the line in the method I described above by holding on to the reel and using your thumbs on the side of the spool, you want to hold the rod and reel down as low in your lap as low as possible. It's once again about leverage. Hold it high and the pull of the line will try and pull you over in a kayak, if you hold it low it wont. Brace yourself, point the rod towards the direction the lines going, get it as low as possible, grab the reel with both hands, wait till almost all the line is gone, then stop the reel by applying both thumbs hard to each side of the spool.

[RedSledTeam]

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

Yeah well my take is threads like this are good because they get people to think about things they otherwise would not know. The scenario above is not something that happens every day, but when it does happen it's good to know what to do.

I'm really only responding though just to add something.

When you break the line in the method I described above by holding on to the reel and using your thumbs on the side of the spool, you want to hold the rod and reel down as low in your lap as low as possible. It's once again about leverage. Hold it high and the pull of the line will try and pull you over in a kayak, if you hold it low it wont. Brace yourself, point the rod towards the direction the lines going, get it as low as possible, grab the reel with both hands, wait till almost all the line is gone, then stop the reel by applying both thumbs hard to each side of the spool.

Jim, you forgot to say "Enjoy the ride!"

[TJones]

i know how to adjust a Lever Drag on the fly after hooking something . it can only be done one way and on a boat . by taking 6 - 8 steps back from rail on BOAT , putting the real in neutral , doing your adjustment and putting the reel back in gear as you are moving forward . even this is highly risky . i didn't start fishing yesterday. and if you had ever had the experience of accidentally hooking a dolphin you would now all of the above occurred within minutes . not hours where i could debate on what to do . apparently you missed a couple parts of the article . (a) the part that stated i buttoned down the drag . (b) the part that said i almost flipped because i got turned sideways . and i am on a narrow yak . i have only been kayaking for 3 years , and this was like hooking a shark , a learning experience for me . i believe in GOD ,JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT. he holds all the keys to life and death . if the mammal dies he is watching and so be it. thank you for your opinion.

[bubblehide]

Originally Posted by TJones

i know how to adjust a Lever Drag on the fly after hooking something . it can only be done one way and on a boat . by taking 6 - 8 steps back from rail on BOAT , putting the real in neutral , doing your adjustment and putting the reel back in gear as you are moving forward . even this is highly risky . i didn't start fishing yesterday. and if you had ever had the experience of accidentally hooking a dolphin you would now all of the above occurred within minutes . not hours where i could debate on what to do . apparently you missed a couple parts of the article . (a) the part that stated i buttoned down the drag . (b) the part that said i almost flipped because i got turned sideways . and i am on a narrow yak . i have only been kayaking for 3 years , and this was like hooking a shark , a learning experience for me . i believe in GOD ,JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT. he holds all the keys to life and death . if the mammal dies he is watching and so be it. thank you for your opinion.

Normally I don't post about my beliefs, But your making me seriously think about Darwin's Natural Selection.

[smithers]

Originally Posted by TJones

.... i have only been kayaking for 3 years , and this was like hooking a shark , a learning experience for me . i believe in GOD ,JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT. he holds all the keys to life and death . if the mammal dies he is watching and so be it. thank you for your opinion.

Cthulu is also watching and should you kill a dolphin or dump 400 yards of spectra into the ocean there is no "so be it".

While it may be convenient to have a deity who shoulders your responsibilities, surely it is written that one of Cthulu's minions will drag you to the murky depths for such a crime!

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by TJones

i know how to adjust a Lever Drag on the fly after hooking something . it can only be done one way and on a boat . by taking 6 - 8 steps back from rail on BOAT , putting the real in neutral , doing your adjustment and putting the reel back in gear as you are moving forward . even this is highly risky . i didn't start fishing yesterday. and if you had ever had the experience of accidentally hooking a dolphin you would now all of the above occurred within minutes . not hours where i could debate on what to do . apparently you missed a couple parts of the article . (a) the part that stated i buttoned down the drag . (b) the part that said i almost flipped because i got turned sideways . and i am on a narrow yak . i have only been kayaking for 3 years , and this was like hooking a shark , a learning experience for me . i believe in GOD ,JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT. he holds all the keys to life and death . if the mammal dies he is watching and so be it. thank you for your opinion.

I want to apologize to you TJ.

Obviously you feel bad about what happened and I'll admit I was a little mad about the whole thing when I posted my post. I just edited it and took out the harsh parts that give you a hard time.

The other stuff is good info and it works.

I have hooked dolphins or more technically porpoises on three occasions. Twice in the same day fishing for Barracuda in Santa Monica Bay, and once fishing schooling bluefin tuna offshore south of the 425.

I completely understand what you are saying about time, and how fast it happens.

Nothing except maybe a Wahoo takes off that fast and unlike wahoo they head straight for the horizon.

That said the technique I described worked for me all three times.

A little background... My buddies and I came up with this system while surf fishing years ago for sharks in the four wheel drive only area at North Padre Island. We'd fish forty miles down the beach maybe sixty miles from the nearest road for a week at a time and and you only had the gear you carried in. We'd fish either wide Penn 4/0s with sixty dacron or a 9/0 with 80 Dacron. 99% of the sharks you'd hook could be landed on that gear, but every once in a while you'd hook a monster tiger or hammerhead that you just couldn't stop. We had the same issue. Can't follow them, and 60 or 80lbs Dacron is hard to break standing on a beach. If you let the shark go all the way down to the spool the line would snap at the reel, and you'd be screwed because lines expensive and we usually did not have much extra line with us on any given trip.

We finally figured out if you sat down on the beach, dug your feet in the sand then held the reel down low between your legs and thumbed the sides of the spool once the reel was almost empty we could break the shark off without loosing all our line. If we kept enough wraps on the spool to keep the spool knot safe I'd say well over 90% of the time the line broke right at the fish or within a few feet of it.

It should work just aas well form a yak as long as you keep the reel down low.... certainly not something you use every day but it's a good thing to know about and I strongly recommend it.

At any rate sorry I gave you a hard time. I'm sure you feel bad enough already. Try to take the positive out of it that I left and ignore the negative I removed.

You got better trips coming.

Tight lines, Jim

[monkeyfishturds]

Originally Posted by TJones

i didn't start fishing yesterday.

i almost flipped because i got turned sideways .

Fishing without being able to bust off your terminal tackle is dangerous. Cutting your line every time you get into trouble means your polluting the ocean. You shouldn't fish with line you can't break. Pointing your rod to the bow no matter which way your tip is bending will keep you from getting sideways and flipping.

[TJones]

in pots a few times this season , i switched to the 50 floro . never realizing the reprocussions. i think i am going back down to 40 and 30 lbs. like wade said. if you are trolling and they roll through , its on . i had them grab a bait before , but never a hook. and these things swim very fast. this thng almost flipped me when i buttoned down the drag. i have a very strong rod leash , and the yak and rod could easily have been taken away had i rolled it and flipped. makes me realize the real dangers of being out at sea , in 56 degree water , 2 miles from shore .

[Biggameaddict]

Not me personally but this guy on youtube http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6E9PSS6Nyvo . That really sucks man but its not your fault i just hope it gets better.

[lterrero]

Always use 6ft of 30lbs mono for my Leaders on my 65lbs Braided, that way it snap at the knot on the hook and not leave the poor thing with 50 or 100 yrs of Braided hanging

Originally Posted by TJones

in pots a few times this season , i switched to the 50 floro . never realizing the reprocussions. i think i am going back down to 40 and 30 lbs. like wade said. if you are trolling and they roll through , its on . i had them grab a bait before , but never a hook. and these things swim very fast. this thng almost flipped me when i buttoned down the drag. i have a very strong rod leash , and the yak and rod could easily have been taken away had i rolled it and flipped. makes me realize the real dangers of being out at sea , in 56 degree water , 2 miles from shore .

If you hook up on a pot with 50lb floro there's no way you're getting your rig back with cutting spectra or pulling the pot to the surface.
Break off at the knot and start again

Like everyone said, 30# is the standard. 30# is strong enough to withstand most max drag pressures but you can still thumb the spool to break off.