Your days of eating Pacific Ocean fish are soon over...

[RockyRaab]

I agree that it's bullchips.

I wouldn't eat fish that came from a few miles off the Fukashima beach, but I'd have no qualms about fish from anywhere else.

Dilution alone is enough to reduce released radiation materials to safe levels. The uproar about all Pacific Ocean fish being contaminated is like claiming that a fart on Pike's Peak endangers the air over Omaha.

[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by RockyRaab

I agree that it's bullchips.

....is like claiming that a fart on Pike's Peak endangers the air over Omaha.

comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd.


the leaking & contamination problem continues, and is not even close to a solution or resolution yet.
likely not even known by anyone yet, what all problems & issues are facing the repair & cleanup process.....


Why Fukushima is worse than you think:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....han-you-think/

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[RockyRaab]

All due respect, but comedy is what I was aiming at. If you like, here's a more apt analogy: The Mississippi River has been dumping cubic miles of sediment into the ocean for thousands of years - and the oceans aren't muddy yet. The bad stuff coming from Fukashima may be a lot more dangerous than mud, but it's comparative trickle as well.

[food4less562]

I've worked as a marine biologist for the last 10 years. Let me just say everything that gets reported isn't the full truth. You really can't really complain when the hippies are paying your bills.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd.

They claim that there is 300 to 450 tons a day of waste water leaking into the Pacific. First off that claim is a lie. At one point someone estimated that on a single day when they had containment failure that amount of water might of leaked but that was just one day fairly recently and there's no way that is happening every day.

Think about this a minute. There are 240 gallons in a ton so they're talking roughly 100 thousand gallons. Sounds like a lot, and it is. Know what a acre foot is? It's the amount of water it would take to cover a acre of land a foot deep. Something like 320 thousand gallons. So were talking about a third of that each day, which is the size of a small shallow lake.

OK I'll bite where's all that water supposed to be coming from? 100 thousand gallons a day is million gallons every ten days. 36.5 million gallons a year. Lots' of water. I mean is there like a huge lake there I've not seen? Are they pumping that much water into there through pumps from the Ocean? Someone left a fire hose or two on for several years now? Have you considered how hard it would be to even move that much radioactive water in a single day or for several years?

Let's pretend it's true though.

Have you consider that something like 2/3 of the whole planets water is in the Pacific Ocean.

187,189,915,062,857,142,857 Gallons.

So the ratio of dirty water to clean is something insane like 1 to 1871899150628570

Perhaps someone can figure out how to make that fraction into a percentage, I'm not even going to try, but I can assure you that the amount of contaminated water, to clean water in the Pacific is a very very very small percentage.

Yet people want to tell me that my Halibut is radioactive, and I'm eating radiation from Japan. I find it hard to believe. In fact I would be amazed if a single particle of the radioactive waste ever makes into my body through fish consumption just because the Pacific is so big.

You ever hear of the AN602 hydrogen Bomb the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated? Soviets blew it up in the artic ocean during my lifetime. It's power was equivalent to roughly 3000 Hiroshima bombs and it's fireball was something like 10 miles in diameter. It shook the whole planet, it's cloud went right up to space, It was big ugly and scared the hell out of everyone.

People said it was going to poison the whole planet, but you know what? We're still here.

Before that the US alone did 331 above ground tests many of which were in the Pacific at the Bikini atoll. The French did over fifty above ground tests mostly in Pacific at Polynesia. Which do you think puts more radiation into the Pacific, a 100 thermonuclear warheads or 100 thousand gallons of waste water?


You're right comparing a fart, to 2-1/2 years leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site, is both comical & absurd, but only because the volume of a fart compared to the scale of an average room is much much larger in percentage to the total volume by over a thousand fold.

If you took an eyedropper of that same contaminated water and dropped a single drop into Lake Mead you'd probably be creating a higher concentration of radioactive material in the water then you could get from dropping that 450 tons into the whole of the Pacific.

You see it's simply about scale. You couldn't run enough water through that plant in a hundred years to produce the levels of radiation off the California that's being claimed in that article.

Physical impossibility, is not happening, can't be done. Can't be true.

[Fiskadoro]

I like this article even better:

http://nationalreport.net/breaking-f...es-ocean-boil/

"Almost two hours after today’s incident what’s being called the “Fukushima Plume of Death” is rapidly bearing down on Hawaii. It’s estimated once Hawaii is hit California will be hit about 90 minutes after."

Yes indeed a radiation plume that can move from Hawaii to California in just 90 minutes !!!!!!!!

Roughly 2500 miles. That's faster then the speed of sound

[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by Drake

This is worth a read. I don't buy much into sources such as these, but this concerns us all. If anyone has further insight, please share.

http://www.themindunleashed.org/2013...of-eating.html .......

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

I like this article even better:

http://nationalreport.net/breaking-f...es-ocean-boil/ .......

anyone with much of an analytical mind at all, can quickly decipher that the BullSh!t presented in these 2 articles above (and the MANY similar others in existence these days) from the numerous "the sky is falling/the world is ending" type websites, is mostly all complete nonsense.

BUT in contrast, when evaluating both numerous prior and especially RECENT articles, from more mainstream sources such as BOTH FOX (Conservative) & CNN (Liberal), like these 2 articles below....


Radiation readings spike at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09...nuclear-plant/


Why Fukushima is worse than you think:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....han-you-think/


and also considering this FACT, which has been reported by MANY prior articles.....

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

....2-1/2 years AND COUNTING, of CONTINUAL leaking radioactive water, flowing out of the reactor site....

....MORE radioactive contamination is CONTINUALLY leaking out into Pacific waters EVERY DAY, with no definitive end in sight....

(impossible to predict exactly what issues may evolve in future, and it will likely be many years before all is known here, but there is certainly a potential health threat going on here)....

then IMHO - all the people who still try to rant & rave & deny that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible significant health risk factors, for the people of the U.S. Pacific West Coast, must surely be CLOSE relatives of these guys below....




just saying !!

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[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

BUT in contrast, when evaluating both numerous prior and especially RECENT articles, from more mainstream sources such as BOTH FOX (Conservative) & CNN (Liberal), like these 2 articles below....http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09...nuclear-plant/
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....han-you-think/
and also considering this FACT, which has been reported by MANY prior articles......

What "FACT" or facts.

I already know what those two articles say because I've already read both of them, but let me paraphrase them:

Fox...

Radiation levels in holding tanks of contaminated water at the plant has increased, and they've detected some leaks in the plumbing. The plant suffered meltdown after the massive earthquake, as a result the reactors are broken and have to be cooled with water, that said they are trying contain the waste. There has been some leaching of ground water, and a recent spill 300-ton (300,000-liter, 80,000-gallon) was the worst release of radioactive water since the crisis began. Authorities say they can't fully stop contaminated water leaks right away, water is still leaking in to the sea, but Scientists have said that contamination tends to be carried by a southward current and gets largely diluted as it spreads out into the sea.

That's a pretty simple assessment but I'll point out the obvious.... the FACTS they present are pretty much in line with what I said, and they are not talking about radioactive fish on this side of the Pacific.

CNN (actually a CNN opinion blog)

Toyoshi Fuketa a radiation expert says they've been careless at the plant, he mentions the recent spill, and says contaminated water is still reaching the ocean.

He says the amount of radioactivity released in March 2011 was less then Chernobyl but in the the total amount of stored cooling water Est. 400,000 tons there is in fact 2.5 times the amount of radioactive cesium dispersed in Chernobyl back in 1986.

He overestimates it's size, as 160 Olympic swimming pools would be in truth be 440,000 tons.

He then explains since the radioactive fuel still needs to be cooled constantly they inject about 400 tons of this stored water into the reactors daily. The water is recirculated from storage which he then for some reason increases estimates up in size to "600,000 tons of highly radioactive liquid" in the tanks.

He then says they are cooling the reactors using four kilometer long lines that were improvised after the emergency, that are not standard industry equipment, some of which are vinyl, or more likely PVC.

He then says the recent leak of 300 tons of radioactive water showed a frightening level of amateurism, and that soil around the tanks is contaminated.

He says the tank leak is just the latest in a long list of things are going fundamentally wrong at the site. He also says if the lost containment of their cooling water it would not only release radioactivity it could lead to another meltdown, and said the challenge of fixing these problems is pretty much unprecedented.


Better read, great stuff, I agree with his assessment 100% right down the line.


Between those two articles you can get a pretty good idea of whats going on.

The current amount of radiation that's been released is likely somewhere between a 10% to around 40% of what was released at Chernobyl. That said the cooling water they have been recirculating to cool the damaged reactors is..DUH!!... getting more and more contaminated with radiation all the time. Total loss of containment of that cooling water would not only release up to two and a half times as much as radiation as Chernobyl but it could also lead to another melt down.

The concern is since this cooling setup was improvised after the disaster it's not up to specs and it has been leaking. So authorities are concerned and want more oversight about what's being done and what could be done to eventually get this all under control.

Pretty simple huh!!!

Straight up nothing in either of those articles disagrees with anything I've posted in this thread. There is also absolutely nothing in either of them that suggests there are any potential radiation issues with locally caught game fish here in the United States.


You say this:

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

IMHO - all the people who still try to rant & rave & deny that there is any possible chance, that there is any possible significant health risk factors, for the people of the U.S. Pacific West Coast, must surely be....

There is no basis for that. Yes there has been a big disaster, but it's not big enough to contaminate the whole Pacific. The Pacific is just too big. You have to weigh the amount of contamination released against the huge size of the Pacific and the numbers do not add up to what you suggest they could.

I mean sorry dude but there is nothing in either of those articles that backs up your rant. I'm not ranting, I'm laughing because this whole thing is so overblown and ridiculous. People that are making these wild contamination claims obviously either have no clue of the basic science, mechanics, or even the amount of water involved. I will admit that it's disappointing the some people believe it but you know people make this stuff intentionally to manipulate others, and people react to fear in often irrational ways.

Speaking of Chernobyl. Know anything about it's cooling setup? I actually know something about it because of the fish. Yes there are still fish in the cooling ponds at Chernobyl. I really like to catch big fish, so I've read up on it and right now the Chernobyl cooling ponds potentially hold some of the largest Wells Catfish in existence (over 500 pounds), due simply to the fact they are closed to fishing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw0j9hcVtk8



Which brings me back to my whole point. There are people in this country that are intentionally over blowing potential risks to our fish, simply because they have an agenda, and don't want us fishing for them. Our fish are not like those in Chernobyl. Don't buy into this crap. Our fish are fine and when you consider the size of the Pacific and the actual amounts of radiation released in true perspective, barring some huge change that creates a much larger disaster our fish are going to be fine for the foreseeable future.

Jim

[RockyRaab]

As long as we're characterizing by cartoon, here's the flip side:

[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro

I'm not ranting,

OK, if u say so.....
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[Hobie-Pedaller]

Originally Posted by bubblehide

.....so in other words, your trying to say that the sky really is falling?

NOT only am I NOT SAYING THAT.
but i specifically said that was nonsense.

you either DIDN'T read prior posts, or can't understand what you read.

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

anyone with much of an analytical mind at all, can quickly decipher that the BullSh!t presented in these 2 articles above (and the MANY similar others in existence these days) from the numerous "the sky is falling/the world is ending" type websites, is mostly all complete nonsense....

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[bubblehide]

Originally Posted by Hobie-Pedaller

NOT only am I NOT SAYING THAT.
but i specifically said that was nonsense.

you either DIDN'T read prior posts, or can't understand what you read.


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Dude, there is a term for the level of understanding of what one reads, it's called reading comprehension. 2 of the people you arguing with have excellent reading comprehension. So what is it that your actually trying to say, other than regressing to slinging insults?

Clearly, claiming that there is a potential significant health risk, is the same as claiming the sky is falling.

[Jimmyz123]

Life's too short to worry about this all the time, we're all going to die someday whether it's from stuff that we eat, or just the way life is, it's going to happen.

Eat up!