Sleezeball award goes to... - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

jorluivil · 09-13-2013, 11:08 AM

Greg Did mention(on some other site) that someone already reported this dipshit to the DFW

Dannowar · 09-13-2013, 11:14 AM

im pretty sure that dude owns Clout surf shop in malibu. hes a joke in the surf community as well.

09-13-2013, 11:25 AM

As much as I agree that this guy is a giant piece of shit, If he did keep all five, legally, he can argue there was another person in the boat that can not be seen. The entire vessel isn't in the shot and the burden of proof is on the DFG or whichever agency is responsible for the persecution. I would be surprised if this goes any further than the blasting of him on the internet. It's sad, it's a shitty legal system we live in and I hate to see this stuff happen.

Aaron&Julie · 09-13-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake

...legally, he can argue there was another person in the boat that can not be seen. The entire vessel isn't in the shot and the burden of proof is on the DFG or whichever agency is responsible for the persecution.

X2, where's the proof he was alone?

09-13-2013, 11:39 AM

Don't get me wrong, it appears he was alone.

chxh8me · 09-13-2013, 12:54 PM

I will vouch for the guy. His name is George. I was there that day and was right next to him when he hooked that big fish. He had a buddy with him (in a kayak alongside) who had two of his own for the morning. When George hooked that big fish, it took him way down the beach. His buddy followed him in the kayak the whole way. While motoring his Zodiac back up the beach, I'm pretty sure he put his buddies fish on his stringer so he wouldn't have to paddle his fish back.

George's other two fish were the result of a double hookup (in which he landed both), which I also witnessed. After he caught that big fish (3rd fish), he motored in. I was on the water before him and after he left that day. He only caught 3.

chxh8me · 09-13-2013, 12:57 PM

And no. No ones missing a WSB bite. This was back in June.

09-13-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chxh8me

I will vouch for the guy. His name is George. I was there that day and was right next to him when he hooked that big fish. He had a buddy with him (in a kayak alongside) who had two of his own for the morning. When George hooked that big fish, it took him way down the beach. His buddy followed him in the kayak the whole way. While motoring his Zodiac back up the beach, I'm pretty sure he put his buddies fish on his stringer so he wouldn't have to paddle his fish back.

George's other two fish were the result of a double hookup (in which he landed both), which I also witnessed. After he caught that big fish (3rd fish), he motored in. I was on the water before him and after he left that day. He only caught 3.

this is good info if it is true. The internet is so quick to hang anyone by a noose. This becomes a gray area in regards to "possession" limits, but that is very very gray and don't think anyone would think twice about it if they weren't his fish. Hopefully people continue to read through the whole thread and not focus on the first posts

chxh8me · 09-13-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

this is good info if it is true. The internet is so quick to hang anyone by a noose.

Agreed.
But people like him also need to be careful when posting stuff like that. People are quick to hang... but he might as well have walked himself to the gallows with that video.

Old Man in the Sea · 09-13-2013, 01:56 PM

maybe Julie might have been in the raft???

Sdspeed · 09-13-2013, 02:26 PM

Was the boat an inflatable or the second angler?

dorado50 · 09-13-2013, 03:31 PM

100% innocence......until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing wrong with speculation, its in the human nature, just be careful how you use it.

bluesquids · 09-14-2013, 06:41 PM

Lynchmob for excessive douchery.
Check his vid below pulling abalone in SoCal.
Even if it's staged, it's still illegal and makes all consumptives look bad to those wanting to ban all fishing in CA. Guy is looking for internet fame and a reality tv show.
Lose the bandana and sunglasses ftard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSU81ARxA1c

GregAndrew · 09-14-2013, 07:39 PM

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I will CnR all day through a good bite after limits. Ever hit a loaded paddie that won't turn off? I'll fish it until my elbows are swollen.

The day someone catches him breaking the law, I vote for full on street justice, but until then, you're bordering on the line of defamation if you label this guy a poacher with no real evidence. (Not directed at you Greg)

Comparing a paddie to fishing for WSB is a stretch. Pretty much anything you catch on a paddie is going to have a far better chance at survival on release. Not to mention that you are talking boat limits on a paddie. And no, I am not the guy that catches a limit and still keeps going. I am the guy that sits down and lets others share in the bounty. Other than when the WSB limits are 1 fish, I can't remember the last time I took a limit of anything but Trout.

The law does not say that you cannot catch 5 fish, it says you cannot posses more than 3 fish. There is a witness that puts him in the boat alone. He is breaking the law, so there is no defamation nor libel.

09-14-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew

Comparing a paddie to fishing for WSB is a stretch. Pretty much anything you catch on a paddie is going to have a far better chance at survival on release. Not to mention that you are talking boat limits on a paddie. And no, I am not the guy that catches a limit and still keeps going. I am the guy that sits down and lets others share in the bounty. Other than when the WSB limits are 1 fish, I can't remember the last time I took a limit of anything but Trout.

The law does not say that you cannot catch 5 fish, it says you cannot posses more than 3 fish. There is a witness that puts him in the boat alone. He is breaking the law, so there is no defamation nor libel.

Have you read Bloodydecks, or youtube?
Another witness put his son on the boat. Who is right? It's not for us to decide, nor jump to a conclusion, additionally, the initial accusations came prior to a witness testimony.

I agree without you 100% on the difference between survival rates of WSB and paddie fishing. However, the regs don't account for a "survival rate" of fishing.

There are two sides to this scenario. What is morally right and wrong, and whats it legally right and wrong. You can say all you want this guy is a scum bag for keeping so many fish, but to say he's a poacher is another story. One is an opinion, one is an accusation. I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm actually trying to look out for the hotheaded, pitchfork wielding forum-goers who might put their foot in their mouth. This guy could be screen shotting everything we type and it's not exactly like our identities are a secret.

I don't agree with what this guy did, but that doesn't make it right for us to put him on trial. Like I said, the internet is disgustingly powerful. This thread spread like wildfire over 4 known other local forums. If this guy turns out to be innocent, which he very well may be, then think of the damage it could do. Maybe 5% who saw the initial video will know the truth, society wants to see a beheading in Time Square more than an acquittal of charges.

Sdspeed · 09-13-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dannowar

im pretty sure that dude owns Clout surf shop in malibu. hes a joke in the surf community as well.

He sure isn't hiding, he's all over Google, pics an all. His ego is bigger than any fish he stole!

Aaron&Julie · 09-13-2013, 11:33 AM

I'm not trying to defend this guy at all, since some of you seemed to know the character.
But, did he have another fisherman on board? Who was doing the video-taping?
If there were 2 guys fishing they're allowed to keep 3 each, and there is 5 on the stringer, meaning they (if there were 2 fishermen) could have caught 1 more fish.
I must not be seeing the violation/problem here, which is what?
Thanks,
Aaron

Cadillyak · 09-13-2013, 11:45 AM

Smh

09-13-2013, 11:55 AM

He does say "This one we are gonna weigh"
That doesn't prove anything, but is food for thought. Eye witness accounts are going to be the only thing valuable in proving his guilt.

ful-rac · 09-13-2013, 12:05 PM

sadly you could probably call the dfg all you want...you can't prove anything...he could say that somebody else was on the boat so if dfg contacted him he could say that he could have kept 1 more...

In all likelihood, he was probably by himself...and over limits, but just like denzel Washington said in training day...."it's not what you know, it's what you can prove".

09-13-2013, 11:08 AM	#1
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	Greg Did mention(on some other site) that someone already reported this dipshit to the DFW __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

09-13-2013, 11:14 AM	#2
Dannowar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,823	im pretty sure that dude owns Clout surf shop in malibu. hes a joke in the surf community as well. __________________ "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity; lick it once and you’ll suck forever." — Brian Wilson

09-13-2013, 11:25 AM	#3
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	As much as I agree that this guy is a giant piece of shit, If he did keep all five, legally, he can argue there was another person in the boat that can not be seen. The entire vessel isn't in the shot and the burden of proof is on the DFG or whichever agency is responsible for the persecution. I would be surprised if this goes any further than the blasting of him on the internet. It's sad, it's a shitty legal system we live in and I hate to see this stuff happen. Last edited by Drake; 09-13-2013 at 01:41 PM.

09-13-2013, 11:39 AM	#5
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	Don't get me wrong, it appears he was alone. Last edited by Drake; 09-13-2013 at 11:13 PM.

09-13-2013, 01:56 PM	#10
Old Man in the Sea Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bay Park Posts: 569	yea I guess it is possible... maybe Julie might have been in the raft???

09-13-2013, 12:54 PM	#6
chxh8me Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Thousand Oaks Posts: 182	I will vouch for the guy. His name is George. I was there that day and was right next to him when he hooked that big fish. He had a buddy with him (in a kayak alongside) who had two of his own for the morning. When George hooked that big fish, it took him way down the beach. His buddy followed him in the kayak the whole way. While motoring his Zodiac back up the beach, I'm pretty sure he put his buddies fish on his stringer so he wouldn't have to paddle his fish back. George's other two fish were the result of a double hookup (in which he landed both), which I also witnessed. After he caught that big fish (3rd fish), he motored in. I was on the water before him and after he left that day. He only caught 3.

09-13-2013, 12:57 PM	#7
chxh8me Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Thousand Oaks Posts: 182	And no. No ones missing a WSB bite. This was back in June.

09-13-2013, 02:26 PM	#11
Sdspeed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 732	Was the boat an inflatable or the second angler?

09-13-2013, 03:31 PM	#12
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	100% innocence......until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing wrong with speculation, its in the human nature, just be careful how you use it.

09-14-2013, 06:41 PM	#13
bluesquids Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jamul, CA Posts: 243	Lynchmob for excessive douchery. Check his vid below pulling abalone in SoCal. Even if it's staged, it's still illegal and makes all consumptives look bad to those wanting to ban all fishing in CA. Guy is looking for internet fame and a reality tv show. Lose the bandana and sunglasses ftard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSU81ARxA1c __________________ Thanks, bluesquids

09-13-2013, 11:33 AM	#17
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	I'm not trying to defend this guy at all, since some of you seemed to know the character. But, did he have another fisherman on board? Who was doing the video-taping? If there were 2 guys fishing they're allowed to keep 3 each, and there is 5 on the stringer, meaning they (if there were 2 fishermen) could have caught 1 more fish. I must not be seeing the violation/problem here, which is what? Thanks, Aaron __________________ "Never say die"

09-13-2013, 11:45 AM	#18
Cadillyak Team Get $$ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 841	Smh __________________ The "Y" is silent 2012 Olive PA 12 2011 Papaya Outback

09-13-2013, 11:55 AM	#19
Drake Guest Posts: n/a	He does say "This one we are gonna weigh" That doesn't prove anything, but is food for thought. Eye witness accounts are going to be the only thing valuable in proving his guilt.

09-13-2013, 12:05 PM	#20
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	sadly you could probably call the dfg all you want...you can't prove anything...he could say that somebody else was on the boat so if dfg contacted him he could say that he could have kept 1 more... In all likelihood, he was probably by himself...and over limits, but just like denzel Washington said in training day...."it's not what you know, it's what you can prove". __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.