New kayak on the block...

[Slay Rider]

Great review – I really, really enjoy reading first hand fishing kayak reviews who, lacking the aide of data collection equipment, are mostly observations and personal impressions. Anymore, to use the words fast and kayak in the same sentence are, to me, comical. This summer we were in the surf line south of La Jollalace, running and gunning from one reef to the next when I observed to my partner, who was fishing from a touring style kayak, that my kayak was soooo slow. After checking the trip log for average speed and noting we had been paddling together all morning without either paddler waiting on the other he observed that our speeds were the same. Because I had been fishing in a shorter, more stable hull that took more energy to paddle, I had assumed it was moving slower. My observation, supported by GPS is that most kayak fishermen paddle an average speed of 3-4 miles per hour no matter what they chose to fish from.

[peguinpower]

Originally Posted by Slay Rider

Great review – I really, really enjoy reading first hand fishing kayak reviews who, lacking the aide of data collection equipment, are mostly observations and personal impressions. Anymore, to use the words fast and kayak in the same sentence are, to me, comical. This summer we were in the surf line south of La Jollalace, running and gunning from one reef to the next when I observed to my partner, who was fishing from a touring style kayak, that my kayak was soooo slow. After checking the trip log for average speed and noting we had been paddling together all morning without either paddler waiting on the other he observed that our speeds were the same. Because I had been fishing in a shorter, more stable hull that took more energy to paddle, I had assumed it was moving slower. My observation, supported by GPS is that most kayak fishermen paddle an average speed of 3-4 miles per hour no matter what they chose to fish from.

In the first part of your response, I sense you dont like kayak reviews due to the absense of data collection instruments. It must be said, data collection is only one part of scientific observation. Equally important is methodology. I would venture to say that your average speed observation is just as subjective. Given current and wind drift, stopping time, moving time differences between two kayaks, variability of physical strength, a solid conclusion cannot be had. Furthermore, your average speed range has a gap of 30%. A significant difference to say the least.

I own a GPS too. I am not interested in conducting a controlled experiment to reach any sort of scientific benchmark. Frankly, Ive never carried my GPS in testing kayaks because unless I test all of them the same day, in the same waters, in the same weather conditions, then the wont be "scientific". I posted an honest review of my experience. That is all.

/bing

[Tman]

Good review...though I can't help but think each time I look at the pictures that one day we will see Kayak Police on the water, and they will be paddling that kayak, sirens, lights, and all.....Ponch, ya there?lol

[Handymansd]

Originally Posted by Tman

Good review...though I can't help but think each time I look at the pictures that one day we will see Kayak Police on the water, and they will be paddling that kayak, sirens, lights, and all.....Ponch, ya there?lol

DFG's future MLPA Enforcement Yak!!lol

[peguinpower]

Originally Posted by Handymansd

DFG's future MLPA Enforcement Yak!!lol

Just youse wait. I'm going after all yer poacher asses

[Slay Rider]

/bing said "I posted an honest review of my experience. That is all." Again, let me assure you your review was good and if for no other reason than because your pictures, expressed thoughts and conclusions caused three of us to pause long enough to think, feel and reply back with thoughts of our owe. In my opinion, an honest reply, pro or con, is the highest compliment you can be given on a public forum like this one.

"Absence of data collection instruments"
You are right there, it frustrates the hell out of me to read ten different reviews that come to ten different conclusions. If it was only as easy as putting a tape measure on it or putting it on a scale. But there are just so many variables. Probably the best bench mark test I’ve ever read of was to load various fishing yaks down with all their gear and paddlers - then tow them behind a motor boat - with a scale, noting how much drag each hull created as it was pulled through the water. If an industry standard could be agreed to and that measurement included along with the other specification normally listed it would give the buyer a better point of reference .

"your average speed range has a gap of 30%. A significant difference to say the least."
While I’m sure there are two reptile experts out there someplace in a heated debate over which is faster, the red eared turtle or the desert tortoise to me they are both little more than rocks with legs. Looking out over La Jolla from the bluff and watching kayakers move about as they fish is like watching cattle graze - never have I pointed one individual out said "Will you look how fast that one is moving."

[Handymansd]

On the serious note, Thanks for all your time to give us the lo-down on the new comer to the SOT arena!

Originally Posted by peguinpower

Just youse wait. I'm going after all yer poacher asses

First I'll have to actually catch something, then you'll have to catch my speedy FND!lol

[peguinpower]

Originally Posted by Handymansd

On the serious note, Thanks for all your time to give us the lo-down on the new comer to the SOT arena!




First I'll have to actually catch something, then you'll have to catch my speedy FND!lol