WCW Poll - next season start - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

FISHIONADO · 04-13-2008, 03:37 PM

I enjoyed WCW more back when the top guys were posting useful information on a more timely basis, I felt obligated to throw in my money to pay back for my education. And a year is too long for my attention span, I'll only join the day contests going forward. I'll still be a fan of WCW, these last months could be especially interesting this year.

rastrev · 04-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Maybe for next year, the WCW forum should be available only to those signed up for WCW, then competitors might be more willing(if not required by the rules) to post more timely reports?

Another idea to make it more competitive, would be to allow 2 subs per month, except for the slam, but maybe only the 10 or 12 biggest fish would count towards the final score. Just a thought.

madscientist · 04-13-2008, 04:21 PM

I've enjoyed WCW these last few years and the competitive element has definitely pushed me and others to raise their game, but I think it's starting to corrupt the underlying idea. When it began I thought it a celebration of big fish and what is possible from the yak. I think it has achieve that. But at some point it gets silly and counterproductive. I've always felt my primary competition to be with the fish that does not want to die; I don't care what anyone else does or does not catch. Fishing for points is not what it is about, and if you need a trophy to validate your time on the water then I hear there is a bass circuit that would be perfect. Just be sure not to gaff the trout!

One Rev · 04-13-2008, 06:58 PM

I was going to post something real brainy then I realized that I have had one to many Margaritas to make any sense so just consider this a non post. By the way I agree with Mr. Madscientist.
Mike
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lamb · 04-13-2008, 11:45 PM

Cool discussion, keep it coming.

Nate. you're funny.

And c'mon, vote on the poll whether to start next season right away (or with a short break), or take some time off. 20 votes don't mean much.

The format has been slightly changing each year, but there are 2 signatures for WCW - YT+WSB+HB as a target fish, and a year long format.

12 months is a lot of time...

No dis-respect to anyone, but sure thing that with more time on the water, the chances of scoring big are better. But that will be the case no matter how you flip the format.

There are very few of us fortunate enough to spend a lot of time of the water. I think the format should be changed to try to bridge that gap.

Personally, I'll play it and enjoy it regardless.

But we must try to bring end emphasize the fun element of WCW... And it must be fun for all.

dorado50 · 04-14-2008, 12:50 PM

WCW is like a second job. If you don't have one (a second job) than this is it. Fish before ,after or during your other job. This is a very unique tournament that takes alot out of onesself, physically, mentally and emotionally, perhaps that is why there is always a winner! Changing the format to cater to the people that don't put in the effort for this tourney is wrong imo. A one day shot at fish is pretty much luck, however a year long tourny is all skill and fortitude. I,myself have never been in a tournament ,where prize monies were involved to be fun... This is an awesome tournament, and not another like it that I know of, leave it alone or go home........

tylerdurden · 04-14-2008, 01:50 PM

I think there should be a break. Let people recharge.

I think some people have lost sight of the real goal of fishing because of WCW. Fishing is supposed to be fun. If you are going out fishing in miserable conditions just to have a shot at points for a stupid contest it just isn't the same anymore. Add on all the internet bullshit and pissing contest and we've seen what happens. I have made some great friends through the contest. The contest has also gotten to the point where not everyone knows each other and some don't like each other. It is no longer a silly contest between friends.

nmbrinkman · 04-14-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dorado50

WCW is like a second job. If you don't have one (a second job) than this is it. Fish before ,after or during your other job. This is a very unique tournament that takes alot out of onesself, physically, mentally and emotionally, perhaps that is why there is always a winner! Changing the format to cater to the people that don't put in the effort for this tourney is wrong imo. A one day shot at fish is pretty much luck, however a year long tourny is all skill and fortitude. I,myself have never been in a tournament ,where prize monies were involved to be fun... This is an awesome tournament, and not another like it that I know of, leave it alone or go home........

I never have been and won't be someone who bitches about my lack of oppurtunity to fish or complains how I can't keep up with the guys who have quick access and time to fish LJ. That's fine, it is what it is. But...

...Effort has little to do with it. What makes you think your effort is any greater than anyone else's anyway?

A full effort and me fishing at every available opportunity does not mean that I'm going to be out there just as much as you. Our same effort and all my spare time may result in usually 2-3 outings a month (5-6 max) while yours may be 2-3 times a week (if not more). Don't just assume that because you don't see the lower third out as much as you that that they're putting out less effort. Just seems a bit Bush league.

Like I said earlier. I don't care about the situations some have that allow them to fish more or whatever. I'll still join WCW 08 and 09 if that's possible and I'll still give 100%. As for where I place, that really isn't up to me IMO. As for a second job, when fishing becomes a job I quit. But throw in kids and fishing is a third job.

As for the format. It makes sense and is simple and clear to understand. I don't mind it the way it is. But I do see where others are coming from. It's no secret that the top 10 have much more opportunity to fish than the bottom 21. That is in no way taking away from their skill. But I can understand where the guys in the lower rankings are coming from. If it's not "fun" for the non top 10, why should they join? So they can hand their money to the top 3? There is no WCW without #31 - #11.

With that said, some take the tournament a little too serious. It's still just fishing. I joined WCW to be a part of something fun. I mean how can it not be with a YT jackpot prize that includes a whole lot of beer. I guess that's easy for me to say though.

dgax65 · 04-14-2008, 02:36 PM

I am comfortable with the current format. Fishing competitions and fishing in general, tend to reward those who get the most time on the water. I don't think we should change the format to handicap those who are dedicated enough to get out and fish frequently. The current format is very unique, in that it actually rewards the hardcore kayak fisherman. The results reflect dedication, perseverance and effort; kind of like the Iron Man of kayak fishing. If we want to get more people involved or allow more people to feel like they have a chance of winning something, then we should add elements to the supplement the existing format.

What about quarterly mini-tournaments? Each quarter would have a three-day window for submissions. We could do three consecutive days or select 3 Saturdays during the quarter. The Entry fee for each quarterly tournament would be $20, with 50% off for WCW participants. Points for fish caught during the quarterly tournament would also apply to WCW. Participation in the quarterly tournaments would be rewarded by adding 10-20 WCW bonus points per fish caught during the three-day window.

aguachico · 05-10-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dordao50

Changing the format to cater to the people that don't put in the effort for this tourney is wrong imo. A one day shot at fish is pretty much luck, however a year long tourny is all skill and fortitude.

.!

aguachico · 04-13-2008, 04:12 PM

MOnthly WCW format. Reports due 4 days after the catch.

Year long WCW are for those that can fish 24 times out of the month for 12 months. Want to know who they are? Look at the current WCW leader board. Nothing against them, they work hard for two fish a month. That doesn't prove how they fish in a head to head format. Monthly WCW formats with sporadic cash jackpots when the fishing is good could be fun. If you find it doesn't work - at least you don't have to wait a year to change it.

View Poll Results: Should the next WCW season start right away or should we take a break?
Yes, start it right after WCW 07 ends.	30	53.57%
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04-13-2008, 11:45 PM	#5
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	Cool discussion, keep it coming. Nate. you're funny. And c'mon, vote on the poll whether to start next season right away (or with a short break), or take some time off. 20 votes don't mean much. The format has been slightly changing each year, but there are 2 signatures for WCW - YT+WSB+HB as a target fish, and a year long format. 12 months is a lot of time... No dis-respect to anyone, but sure thing that with more time on the water, the chances of scoring big are better. But that will be the case no matter how you flip the format. There are very few of us fortunate enough to spend a lot of time of the water. I think the format should be changed to try to bridge that gap. Personally, I'll play it and enjoy it regardless. But we must try to bring end emphasize the fun element of WCW... And it must be fun for all. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

04-14-2008, 01:50 PM	#7
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I think there should be a break. Let people recharge. I think some people have lost sight of the real goal of fishing because of WCW. Fishing is supposed to be fun. If you are going out fishing in miserable conditions just to have a shot at points for a stupid contest it just isn't the same anymore. Add on all the internet bullshit and pissing contest and we've seen what happens. I have made some great friends through the contest. The contest has also gotten to the point where not everyone knows each other and some don't like each other. It is no longer a silly contest between friends. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

04-14-2008, 02:36 PM	#9
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	I am comfortable with the current format. Fishing competitions and fishing in general, tend to reward those who get the most time on the water. I don't think we should change the format to handicap those who are dedicated enough to get out and fish frequently. The current format is very unique, in that it actually rewards the hardcore kayak fisherman. The results reflect dedication, perseverance and effort; kind of like the Iron Man of kayak fishing. If we want to get more people involved or allow more people to feel like they have a chance of winning something, then we should add elements to the supplement the existing format. What about quarterly mini-tournaments? Each quarter would have a three-day window for submissions. We could do three consecutive days or select 3 Saturdays during the quarter. The Entry fee for each quarterly tournament would be $20, with 50% off for WCW participants. Points for fish caught during the quarterly tournament would also apply to WCW. Participation in the quarterly tournaments would be rewarded by adding 10-20 WCW bonus points per fish caught during the three-day window. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

04-13-2008, 03:37 PM	#1
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I enjoyed WCW more back when the top guys were posting useful information on a more timely basis, I felt obligated to throw in my money to pay back for my education. And a year is too long for my attention span, I'll only join the day contests going forward. I'll still be a fan of WCW, these last months could be especially interesting this year.

04-13-2008, 04:10 PM	#2
rastrev Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SD, CA Posts: 173	From today: Currently Active Users: 71 (13 members and 58 guests) Maybe for next year, the WCW forum should be available only to those signed up for WCW, then competitors might be more willing(if not required by the rules) to post more timely reports? Another idea to make it more competitive, would be to allow 2 subs per month, except for the slam, but maybe only the 10 or 12 biggest fish would count towards the final score. Just a thought.

04-13-2008, 04:21 PM	#3
madscientist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,906	I've enjoyed WCW these last few years and the competitive element has definitely pushed me and others to raise their game, but I think it's starting to corrupt the underlying idea. When it began I thought it a celebration of big fish and what is possible from the yak. I think it has achieve that. But at some point it gets silly and counterproductive. I've always felt my primary competition to be with the fish that does not want to die; I don't care what anyone else does or does not catch. Fishing for points is not what it is about, and if you need a trophy to validate your time on the water then I hear there is a bass circuit that would be perfect. Just be sure not to gaff the trout! __________________

04-13-2008, 06:58 PM	#4
One Rev Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chula Vista, CA Posts: 65	I was going to post something real brainy then I realized that I have had one to many Margaritas to make any sense so just consider this a non post. By the way I agree with Mr. Madscientist. Mike One Rev

04-14-2008, 12:50 PM	#6
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	WCW is like a second job. If you don't have one (a second job) than this is it. Fish before ,after or during your other job. This is a very unique tournament that takes alot out of onesself, physically, mentally and emotionally, perhaps that is why there is always a winner! Changing the format to cater to the people that don't put in the effort for this tourney is wrong imo. A one day shot at fish is pretty much luck, however a year long tourny is all skill and fortitude. I,myself have never been in a tournament ,where prize monies were involved to be fun... This is an awesome tournament, and not another like it that I know of, leave it alone or go home........

04-13-2008, 04:12 PM	#11
aguachico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 719	MOnthly WCW format. Reports due 4 days after the catch. Year long WCW are for those that can fish 24 times out of the month for 12 months. Want to know who they are? Look at the current WCW leader board. Nothing against them, they work hard for two fish a month. That doesn't prove how they fish in a head to head format. Monthly WCW formats with sporadic cash jackpots when the fishing is good could be fun. If you find it doesn't work - at least you don't have to wait a year to change it.