Malibu X-13 Options - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

forefrazier · 07-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Grego:

Thanks for posting the very technical exit holes! I currently have a large hose going over the side. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to having the water just run into the back of the 'yak just using the holes? How fast does it drain out?

I have an X-Factor bait tank now but am not happy with the over the side tubing for the bilge pump and drain. Tried the pump thru the scupper hole before but priming issue were a pain.

Grego · 07-07-2008, 08:25 PM

The two scupper holes are large enough to drain the water, there's always a 1/8" of water floating around in the well back there because it doesn't flow perfectly down the hole. If that bothers you then keep the tube hanging out. It doesn't bother me because it's suppose to be wet back there anyhow from launching, water coming up the scuppers, the unexpected side swells, etc....

deeberdave · 07-09-2008, 07:03 AM

Grego,
Great post I'm new to the sport,been fishing this year in fresh water and just started to hit harbors and bays. Noticed most kayak fisherman are fishing live bait,so I started checking out their setups.I really like your
bait tank rigging clean functional, really cool.I also like your "marine supply" sources, I've found good stuff for my boat at Home Depot,K Mart
and even Ralphs.
Anyway, question is with the through hull pump mounting,is the vibration when the pump is on sending a resonace through the boat into the water and doe's it alarm/spook the fish?Also do you have any pump prime problems?
Thanks again for the great info
Dave

Grego · 07-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deeberdave

Grego,
Great post I'm new to the sport,been fishing this year in fresh water and just started to hit harbors and bays. Noticed most kayak fisherman are fishing live bait,so I started checking out their setups.I really like your
bait tank rigging clean functional, really cool.I also like your "marine supply" sources, I've found good stuff for my boat at Home Depot,K Mart
and even Ralphs.
Anyway, question is with the through hull pump mounting,is the vibration when the pump is on sending a resonace through the boat into the water and doe's it alarm/spook the fish?Also do you have any pump prime problems?
Thanks again for the great info
Dave

No priming needed.

The vibration or resonance....I'm no expert but I had no problem catching bait, some bass, and shortie butts the last time I took it out. Ummm..all the boats use them. You could ask the guys who use the kayatank to see if that's a problem, but from what I've seen they haven't seemed to slow down catching the right kind. When you install in a garage and you turn it on dry it's going to "hummmmm", but it's not like that on the water, I can't hear it at all. I don't think the vibration is any worse then having a bilge pump directly submerged in the water.

Grego · 07-15-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

No priming needed.

The vibration or resonance....I'm no expert but I had no problem catching bait, some bass, and shortie butts the last time I took it out. Ummm..all the boats use them. You could ask the guys who use the kayatank to see if that's a problem, but from what I've seen they haven't seemed to slow down catching the right kind. When you install in a garage and you turn it on dry it's going to "hummmmm", but it's not like that on the water, I can't hear it at all. I don't think the vibration is any worse then having a bilge pump directly submerged in the water.

EDIT: I can now say I caught a nice legal butt with the pump running

forefrazier · 07-24-2008, 08:57 AM

Greg:

When installing the thru hull pump, did you have to hack-saw off the end of the threads in order to make it level with the nut? I was thinking of just adding a 90 elbow so that the water would be coming straight in as I was paddling?? Thoughts?

Grego · 07-25-2008, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forefrazier

Greg:

When installing the thru hull pump, did you have to hack-saw off the end of the threads in order to make it level with the nut? I was thinking of just adding a 90 elbow so that the water would be coming straight in as I was paddling?? Thoughts?

Yes, I have a pvc cutter, but same thing just made it flush. Elbow attachment, sure you can do that, I don't think it will make a functional difference since the pump is strong enough as it is and doesn't need any extra priming. The concern I foresee is the elbow sticking out farther and it might get knocked off during loading or something. Heck, maybe if you paddled enough you wouldn't even need a motor to get water flowing into the tank, but you couldn't stop or drift for very long though.

lamb · 07-09-2008, 02:08 PM

On pump noise/vibration... No doubt certain species are more sensitive to noise... Kayakers versus boaters on WSB counts is a strong testament.

But despite reading about it a lot on boards (people suggesting to turn off the pump when after WSB and what not), I'm not convinced that the constant buzzing of a bait-tank pump makes any difference.

This picture was taken a couple of years ago on our Baja trip... The school of 6-7 40+ lbs WSB strolled right under our kayaks to check us out. They were only 2-3 ft under our yaks, turning on their side to give us a look. At the time, I had an external pump that was pretty noisy. They didn't seem to care.

TheSherThang · 07-09-2008, 02:46 PM

Really sweet install Grego! Now where is the disco ball and hydraulics?

deeberdave · 07-10-2008, 11:53 AM

Thanks Guys,
I always try to be as quiet on the water as I can be, thats why I'm lovin' kayaks compared to the Merc powered rockets I used to fish in!
Guess I'll start collecting the parts for a thru-hull!
Tight Lines
Dave

DB · 07-11-2008, 12:25 PM

Where did you get that 3 1/2 bucket and lid?

Bob

Grego · 07-15-2008, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DB

Where did you get that 3 1/2 bucket and lid?

Bob

I had ordered the buckets 4 or 5 at one time from an online store some years ago, it's not worth buying only 1 because of the shipping. Andy at OEX said he was going to start stocking them and my sponsor Hook1 might also carry them.

The Gamma Seal Lids are made in SD, just do a google search and you'll find plenty of places selling them. I ordered in bulk years ago and it was something like $8 per lid with shipping. I've made a lot of tanks and surf fishing buckets with them for people so I needed a lot. Again, check with Hook1 or OEX they might carry them in stock. Also, I think a year or so ago they began making dog food containers with the same lids that I see a lot of guys using as livewells or large bait tanks.

SteveK · 08-11-2008, 04:47 PM

This was on KFS's site, another Bassyaks X-13

That live well is GREAT!!

When mounting your transducer "Flame treat" the hull before you do anything that's a very important step that beginners neglect to do.

tightlines Steve

YakAss · 08-11-2008, 05:37 PM

I don't have much room to speak since I'm still looking at buying a kayak, but what is that thing? looks like my son's Transformer came to lifelol.

mattyoga · 08-20-2008, 12:28 AM

Could you elaborate a little on flame treating the hull?

Is this too smooth it out?

Also if you mount the xducer on the side, does it effect the readnig much as its now on an angle rather than horizontal?

Cheers
Matt

Grego · 08-20-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyoga

Could you elaborate a little on flame treating the hull?

Not sure what you mean? After sanding it helps burn off those little hairs of plastic and also helps the adhesive of whatever your putting on stick a little better.

When I worked at MK we would flame treat the hull if there was a dent on the bottom to pop it back out, and we would flame treat the red kayaks because it made that particular color come out looking a lot brighter.

For the other post, I haven't had a problem with the batteries laying on the side.

07-09-2008, 07:03 AM	#3
deeberdave Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: CARLSBAD Posts: 34	through hull or not Grego, Great post I'm new to the sport,been fishing this year in fresh water and just started to hit harbors and bays. Noticed most kayak fisherman are fishing live bait,so I started checking out their setups.I really like your bait tank rigging clean functional, really cool.I also like your "marine supply" sources, I've found good stuff for my boat at Home Depot,K Mart and even Ralphs. Anyway, question is with the through hull pump mounting,is the vibration when the pump is on sending a resonace through the boat into the water and doe's it alarm/spook the fish?Also do you have any pump prime problems? Thanks again for the great info Dave

07-09-2008, 02:08 PM	#8
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	On pump noise/vibration... No doubt certain species are more sensitive to noise... Kayakers versus boaters on WSB counts is a strong testament. But despite reading about it a lot on boards (people suggesting to turn off the pump when after WSB and what not), I'm not convinced that the constant buzzing of a bait-tank pump makes any difference. This picture was taken a couple of years ago on our Baja trip... The school of 6-7 40+ lbs WSB strolled right under our kayaks to check us out. They were only 2-3 ft under our yaks, turning on their side to give us a look. At the time, I had an external pump that was pretty noisy. They didn't seem to care. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

08-20-2008, 12:28 AM	#15
mattyoga Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1	Flame Treating the Hull Could you elaborate a little on flame treating the hull? Is this too smooth it out? Also if you mount the xducer on the side, does it effect the readnig much as its now on an angle rather than horizontal? Cheers Matt

07-07-2008, 02:30 PM	#1
forefrazier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: OC Posts: 397	Grego: Thanks for posting the very technical exit holes! I currently have a large hose going over the side. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to having the water just run into the back of the 'yak just using the holes? How fast does it drain out? I have an X-Factor bait tank now but am not happy with the over the side tubing for the bilge pump and drain. Tried the pump thru the scupper hole before but priming issue were a pain.

07-07-2008, 08:25 PM	#2
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	The two scupper holes are large enough to drain the water, there's always a 1/8" of water floating around in the well back there because it doesn't flow perfectly down the hole. If that bothers you then keep the tube hanging out. It doesn't bother me because it's suppose to be wet back there anyhow from launching, water coming up the scuppers, the unexpected side swells, etc....

07-24-2008, 08:57 AM	#6
forefrazier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: OC Posts: 397	Greg: When installing the thru hull pump, did you have to hack-saw off the end of the threads in order to make it level with the nut? I was thinking of just adding a 90 elbow so that the water would be coming straight in as I was paddling?? Thoughts?

07-09-2008, 02:46 PM	#9
TheSherThang Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 82	Really sweet install Grego! Now where is the disco ball and hydraulics?

07-10-2008, 11:53 AM	#10
deeberdave Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: CARLSBAD Posts: 34	Thanks Guys, I always try to be as quiet on the water as I can be, thats why I'm lovin' kayaks compared to the Merc powered rockets I used to fish in! Guess I'll start collecting the parts for a thru-hull! Tight Lines Dave

07-11-2008, 12:25 PM	#11
DB Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 11	Where did you get that 3 1/2 bucket and lid? Bob

08-11-2008, 04:47 PM	#13
SteveK Junior Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 22	This was on KFS's site, another Bassyaks X-13 That live well is GREAT!! When mounting your transducer "Flame treat" the hull before you do anything that's a very important step that beginners neglect to do. tightlines Steve

08-11-2008, 05:37 PM	#14
YakAss Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1	I don't have much room to speak since I'm still looking at buying a kayak, but what is that thing? looks like my son's Transformer came to lifelol.