LJ shores FYI - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dgax65 · 08-08-2008, 10:00 AM

“The idea is, let's charge these businesses a fee that's commensurate with the impacts they are having, and let's use the money we get to deal with those impacts,” said City Council President Scott Peters, who represents La Jolla Shores.

I would like to see that happen. More likely, the city siphons off 90% of the revenue and leaves a half-assed system in place that is no better than the current one. A city in dire financial straights that has repeatedly mismanaged the city budgets wants to initiate a new revenue stream. I don't know why you would believe them when they say that the revenues generated would go towards fixing that particular problem. Ostensibly, that was the plan with the La Jolla parking controls. The stated goal was to alleviate parking congestion on La Jolla streets. Metered parking was proposed, but the majority of the revenue generated would have gone to the city's general fund. Once a new revenue stream is created, any linkage to the problem that forced it's creation will be tenuous, at best.

How much would it cost the city to have a dedicated traffic control attendent at the Shores for 40 hours a week? What about just installing some high visibility signs to keep the idiot tourists from driving onto the beach to have a look. That might ease some of the congestion.

esdees · 08-08-2008, 11:15 AM

So instead of enforcing the "No Commercial Activities" rule as posted at the entrance, the city is just going to charge for it. Maybe I can pay a fee to fish in the reserve...

I've always wondered why the kayak renters were allowed to do what they do at the launch, but it doesn't usually bother me. Perhaps my understanding of "commercial activities" is incorrect.

Iceman · 08-08-2008, 11:35 AM

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I've always wondered why the kayak renters were allowed to do what they do at the launch, but it doesn't usually bother me. Perhaps my understanding of "commercial activities" is incorrect.

I believe the sign should read "without a permit" the kayak rentals pay $500 per month for access.

esdees · 08-08-2008, 11:50 AM

It probably does say that. I'll take a look for my own curiosity if I think about it next time.

Handymansd · 08-08-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dgax65

I would like to see that happen. More likely, the city siphons off 90% of the revenue and leaves a half-assed system in place that is no better than the current one. A city in dire financial straights that has repeatedly mismanaged the city budgets wants to initiate a new revenue stream. I don't know why you would believe them when they say that the revenues generated would go towards fixing that particular problem.

Couldn't have said it better. A great program would benefit everyone, but our illustrious corrupt government has a way of really retarding the whole financial end of things. To them 1+2= not 3, but a payback plan to fix our aging pipes, that has a payback plan to fix the under budgeted schools, which has a payback plan to hire more police and firemen, which has a payback plan for the pension which has a payback plan for the downtown development, which has a payback plan for the current imminent domain process, which lines the pockets of all of our politicians. Trust me these developers and contractors are not working for free!

OK... I feel better now... Off my soap box... Sometimes ya just gotta vent at the inadequacy of our leaders.

But in my opinion giving them more income flow is great in theory, but very bad in practice! It's not a good solution for anyone!

dsafety · 08-08-2008, 03:25 PM

Shortly after reading this thread, I got a call from the Leutenent in the SD Lifeguard Service who is responsible for the La Jolla beaches. The reason for the call was something else but after I mentioned that some in the kayak community are getting a little upset with the number of rental kayaks conjesting the launch area, the conversation shifted.

It turns out the the Lifeguards are not very happy with this condition either. Unfortunately, the soluton being discussed is to start charging for parking at bay and beach lots and put parking meters on the street. This is not the Lifeguard's doing. They just enforce the rules. No, this lame idea comes from the same folks who promoted the beach booze ban. Apparently the city bosses, faced with money shortages, are looking at paid parking as a revenue source.

It gets worse, there is even some discussion of closing the LJ Shores launch area or at least making it so cars can no longer drive on the sand. This would be done in the interest of "safety".

As for me, I can live with the tourists. They are even entertaining at times. Besides, they will all be gone in a month or so. Charging for parking at the beach, well that would make me very angry. I seldom go to Del Mar these days since they started charging.

Until next time

Bob

08-08-2008, 10:00 AM	#1
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	“The idea is, let's charge these businesses a fee that's commensurate with the impacts they are having, and let's use the money we get to deal with those impacts,” said City Council President Scott Peters, who represents La Jolla Shores. I would like to see that happen. More likely, the city siphons off 90% of the revenue and leaves a half-assed system in place that is no better than the current one. A city in dire financial straights that has repeatedly mismanaged the city budgets wants to initiate a new revenue stream. I don't know why you would believe them when they say that the revenues generated would go towards fixing that particular problem. Ostensibly, that was the plan with the La Jolla parking controls. The stated goal was to alleviate parking congestion on La Jolla streets. Metered parking was proposed, but the majority of the revenue generated would have gone to the city's general fund. Once a new revenue stream is created, any linkage to the problem that forced it's creation will be tenuous, at best. How much would it cost the city to have a dedicated traffic control attendent at the Shores for 40 hours a week? What about just installing some high visibility signs to keep the idiot tourists from driving onto the beach to have a look. That might ease some of the congestion. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

08-08-2008, 03:25 PM	#6
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	Be careful what you wish for Shortly after reading this thread, I got a call from the Leutenent in the SD Lifeguard Service who is responsible for the La Jolla beaches. The reason for the call was something else but after I mentioned that some in the kayak community are getting a little upset with the number of rental kayaks conjesting the launch area, the conversation shifted. It turns out the the Lifeguards are not very happy with this condition either. Unfortunately, the soluton being discussed is to start charging for parking at bay and beach lots and put parking meters on the street. This is not the Lifeguard's doing. They just enforce the rules. No, this lame idea comes from the same folks who promoted the beach booze ban. Apparently the city bosses, faced with money shortages, are looking at paid parking as a revenue source. It gets worse, there is even some discussion of closing the LJ Shores launch area or at least making it so cars can no longer drive on the sand. This would be done in the interest of "safety". As for me, I can live with the tourists. They are even entertaining at times. Besides, they will all be gone in a month or so. Charging for parking at the beach, well that would make me very angry. I seldom go to Del Mar these days since they started charging. Until next time Bob

08-08-2008, 11:15 AM	#2
esdees The Good Clone Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clairemont Posts: 520	So instead of enforcing the "No Commercial Activities" rule as posted at the entrance, the city is just going to charge for it. Maybe I can pay a fee to fish in the reserve... I've always wondered why the kayak renters were allowed to do what they do at the launch, but it doesn't usually bother me. Perhaps my understanding of "commercial activities" is incorrect.

08-08-2008, 11:50 AM	#4
esdees The Good Clone Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clairemont Posts: 520	It probably does say that. I'll take a look for my own curiosity if I think about it next time.