The DEATH of a SPECIES - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Orca Winfrey · 10-08-2017, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by makobob

SO, how do WE turn it around? What can each of us do?

I can only think of setting examples, word of mouth, electing the right people and maybe supporting organizations like The Nature Conservancy and WWF. Yeah, kinda weak.

makobob · 10-08-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Orca Winfrey

I can only think of setting examples, word of mouth, electing the right people and maybe supporting organizations like The Nature Conservancy and WWF. Yeah, kinda weak.

There has to be a better way. AND SOON, we are killing this planet.

Baja_Traveler · 10-08-2017, 07:11 PM

The plight of the Vaquita is no different than that of the White Rhino. So long as you have an indigenous group of people who are willing to make a buck by poaching with zero regard for law or the wildlife they are killing, these animals will have no hope. Just last year a group of Mexican fisheries scientists were ganged up on and beaten by these same poachers. Why the Mexican government did not go in and throw them all in jail is beyond me. At least in Kenya, they are taking it seriously and using lethal force against the poachers. Usually I have no use for extremist organizations like Sea Shepard, but in this case I'm glad they are patrolling the north sea of Cortez and destroying illegally placed gill nets as they find them.

https://swfsc.noaa.gov/textblock.asp...d=676&id=21081

DanaPT · 10-08-2017, 07:24 PM

Google invetro meat.

Soon enough, if not too late, real food will be a luxury.

PapaDave · 10-09-2017, 06:12 AM

It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed.

How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use...

http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics

Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future.

So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do.

I could go on but why bother....

kirkdavis · 10-09-2017, 07:24 AM

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

jpp9565 · 10-09-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kirkdavis

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

Don't forget the Indians.

King Saba · 10-09-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kirkdavis

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

As long as there's money attached to our problems these problems will continue to exist. Greed will be the end of all life.

driftwood · 10-09-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaDave

It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed.

How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use...

http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics

Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future.

So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do.

I could go on but why bother....

makobob · 10-09-2017, 10:00 AM

The way we are going it will finally come down to just one thing............................................. .................................................. .........PEOPLE EATING PEOPLE. That is the end result. And WE are doing it to ourselves. So AGAIN I ask what can we do about it. The answer is out there, we just need to find it. Thanks amigos.

10-09-2017, 06:12 AM	#5
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,474	It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed. How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use... http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future. So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do. I could go on but why bother.... __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

10-09-2017, 07:24 AM	#6
kirkdavis Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: SD County Posts: 360	Part of the problem We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack. The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

10-09-2017, 10:00 AM	#10
makobob Baitless on Baja Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vista California, Gonzaga, San Quintin, Asuncion, Mag Bay Posts: 4,250	The way we are going it will finally come down to just one thing............................................. .................................................. .........PEOPLE EATING PEOPLE. That is the end result. And WE are doing it to ourselves. So AGAIN I ask what can we do about it. The answer is out there, we just need to find it. Thanks amigos. __________________ http://www.mako-ville.com Home 760-630-4470 Cell 760-520-2514 YES YOU CAN

10-08-2017, 07:11 PM	#3
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	The plight of the Vaquita is no different than that of the White Rhino. So long as you have an indigenous group of people who are willing to make a buck by poaching with zero regard for law or the wildlife they are killing, these animals will have no hope. Just last year a group of Mexican fisheries scientists were ganged up on and beaten by these same poachers. Why the Mexican government did not go in and throw them all in jail is beyond me. At least in Kenya, they are taking it seriously and using lethal force against the poachers. Usually I have no use for extremist organizations like Sea Shepard, but in this case I'm glad they are patrolling the north sea of Cortez and destroying illegally placed gill nets as they find them. https://swfsc.noaa.gov/textblock.asp...d=676&id=21081

10-08-2017, 07:24 PM	#4
DanaPT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South OC Posts: 1,606	Google invetro meat. Soon enough, if not too late, real food will be a luxury.