Childrens Pool Meeting Tues 2/17 2pm - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dsafety · 02-16-2009, 11:37 AM

I emailed a version of the "letter" to all the City Council members. Two messages bounced back for having bad addresses, (I used what was posted). Only Sherri Lightner bothered to acknowledge receipt of the message.

My experience with City Government is that most of the decisions on issues being brought to public meetings have already been decided prior to the public meeting. The meetings are mainly to make the public think that we have some input on the decision making process. There is money already budgeted to clean up the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. The Lifeguards speak as if it is already a done deal.

I would be surprised if any minds will be changed at this point but it certainly won't hurt to have a few reasonable people at this meeting who support our point of view on this issue. Most of the FOS people are semi-nutcases, (remember the tatooed guy with the huge fishhook stuck in his skin?). Even the roughest of our group will come across as reasonable when compared to some of our opponents.

Bob

Billy V · 02-16-2009, 06:53 PM

They have already scaffold around the lifeguard tower. It also looks like there are surveillance cameras there.

Matt · 02-17-2009, 09:40 AM

sorry to say guys, but I am not gonna make the meeting i just got called into work....good luck!!

dgax65 · 02-17-2009, 06:55 PM

So, that didn't go very well. It was quite obvious that the council had already made a decision. There is no acknowledgment of what is right; just what is popular and will save the city some money. I shouldn't have expected any sort of integrity or courage from that lot. Just takin' the easy way out.

Taken by itself, this isn't such a huge loss. It is obvious that it will be tied up in the courts for years to come. The real issue that needs to be dealt with now is the seal-huggers trying to expand the La Jolla Reserve boundary to meet the soon-to-be Casa Beach Marine Mammal Sanctuary.

dsafety · 02-17-2009, 09:18 PM

The thing is, that by not doing anything useful, the City Council has just prolonged the process. There are plans in place to dredge the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. Assuming that this occures, it will be a very disruptive event for the seals laying on the beach at the CP. Will the the FOS figure out some way to stop this process? Will the seals leave when the noise level gets too high? Will life as we know it stop if the seals move a few hundred yards down the shoreline to a more appropriate place?

By the way, when I was a kid, all the seals all lived on Seal Rock, a short distance from the CP. They stayed away from the CP because there were too many Children at the Children's Pool. Apparently they preferred the solitude of this relatively protected spot over the constant din of kids having fun at the beach that was named in their honor.

At some point, someone in authoritiy is going to have to step up and take a stand. Hopefully that stand is on the side of reason. Apparently the current San Diego City Council does not have anyone willing to do the right thing. Does anyone know how the vote went down? If so, please post the vote results.

I no longer live in the City of San Diego but still consider La Jolla to be my home. It really pisses me off when elected officials sit back and take the easy way out in order to avoid making a decision on an important issue. This has to change.

Bob

dorf · 02-18-2009, 05:03 AM

Why not just return the area to its original state? By building the wall to create the children’s pool the city has messed with the natural order of things. Was an ecological impact study done on this site prior to the building of the wall? I don’t think they really thought about that sort of stuff back in 1930’s when Ellen Browning Scripps donated the funds to build the sea wall and now we have to deal with the aftermath.
Mr Mayor Tear down the wall!
The ocean comes back to the cliff and there wouldn’t be a need for a huge life guard tower as it will no longer be a swim place. Even for SCUBA diving it has been relatively unsafe because of the heavy rip currents.
Personally I don’t use the area. I have taken out of town friends there to see the seals and usually we can’t stay too long for the smell is so bad. I could care less either way but it seams to me that spending a couple of hundred thousands to remove the wall now will save the city millions in the long run.
That’s my 2 pennies.

ratdog · 02-18-2009, 08:00 AM

I went to the City coucil meeting yesterday, and the FOS were a huge majority in attendance. They were well represented by a few sharp shooting attorney's.
I might be way off on this issue but personally I don't use the CP nor do I visit it, but I have seen what years and years of Marine mammal feces does to the coronado Islands!
Wait another 25 years and let the feces pile even deeper and higher into the sand, then every day that the sun is out and the wind is down La Jolla "The Jewel" will freaking stink like a dead whale carcus and the flies will be so thick at "the Jewel" that nobody will want to go close to that place. The ignorant lady who went to the podium to say how all the merchants want the seals to stay might change her toon in 20 years but by then it will be way to late. Just my humble opinion.

02-17-2009, 09:40 AM	#3
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	sorry to say guys, but I am not gonna make the meeting i just got called into work....good luck!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

02-17-2009, 06:55 PM	#4
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	So, that didn't go very well. It was quite obvious that the council had already made a decision. There is no acknowledgment of what is right; just what is popular and will save the city some money. I shouldn't have expected any sort of integrity or courage from that lot. Just takin' the easy way out. Taken by itself, this isn't such a huge loss. It is obvious that it will be tied up in the courts for years to come. The real issue that needs to be dealt with now is the seal-huggers trying to expand the La Jolla Reserve boundary to meet the soon-to-be Casa Beach Marine Mammal Sanctuary. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

02-18-2009, 05:03 AM	#6
dorf Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 279	Why not just return the area to its original state? By building the wall to create the children’s pool the city has messed with the natural order of things. Was an ecological impact study done on this site prior to the building of the wall? I don’t think they really thought about that sort of stuff back in 1930’s when Ellen Browning Scripps donated the funds to build the sea wall and now we have to deal with the aftermath. Mr Mayor Tear down the wall! The ocean comes back to the cliff and there wouldn’t be a need for a huge life guard tower as it will no longer be a swim place. Even for SCUBA diving it has been relatively unsafe because of the heavy rip currents. Personally I don’t use the area. I have taken out of town friends there to see the seals and usually we can’t stay too long for the smell is so bad. I could care less either way but it seams to me that spending a couple of hundred thousands to remove the wall now will save the city millions in the long run. That’s my 2 pennies. __________________ Don't try to confuse me with facts! I hereby reject your reality and submit my own.

02-16-2009, 11:37 AM	#1
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	I emailed a version of the "letter" to all the City Council members. Two messages bounced back for having bad addresses, (I used what was posted). Only Sherri Lightner bothered to acknowledge receipt of the message. My experience with City Government is that most of the decisions on issues being brought to public meetings have already been decided prior to the public meeting. The meetings are mainly to make the public think that we have some input on the decision making process. There is money already budgeted to clean up the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. The Lifeguards speak as if it is already a done deal. I would be surprised if any minds will be changed at this point but it certainly won't hurt to have a few reasonable people at this meeting who support our point of view on this issue. Most of the FOS people are semi-nutcases, (remember the tatooed guy with the huge fishhook stuck in his skin?). Even the roughest of our group will come across as reasonable when compared to some of our opponents. Bob

02-16-2009, 06:53 PM	#2
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	They have already scaffold around the lifeguard tower. It also looks like there are surveillance cameras there.

02-17-2009, 09:18 PM	#5
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	The thing is, that by not doing anything useful, the City Council has just prolonged the process. There are plans in place to dredge the CP and rebuild the Lifeguard tower. Assuming that this occures, it will be a very disruptive event for the seals laying on the beach at the CP. Will the the FOS figure out some way to stop this process? Will the seals leave when the noise level gets too high? Will life as we know it stop if the seals move a few hundred yards down the shoreline to a more appropriate place? By the way, when I was a kid, all the seals all lived on Seal Rock, a short distance from the CP. They stayed away from the CP because there were too many Children at the Children's Pool. Apparently they preferred the solitude of this relatively protected spot over the constant din of kids having fun at the beach that was named in their honor. At some point, someone in authoritiy is going to have to step up and take a stand. Hopefully that stand is on the side of reason. Apparently the current San Diego City Council does not have anyone willing to do the right thing. Does anyone know how the vote went down? If so, please post the vote results. I no longer live in the City of San Diego but still consider La Jolla to be my home. It really pisses me off when elected officials sit back and take the easy way out in order to avoid making a decision on an important issue. This has to change. Bob

02-18-2009, 08:00 AM	#7
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	I went to the City coucil meeting yesterday, and the FOS were a huge majority in attendance. They were well represented by a few sharp shooting attorney's. I might be way off on this issue but personally I don't use the CP nor do I visit it, but I have seen what years and years of Marine mammal feces does to the coronado Islands! Wait another 25 years and let the feces pile even deeper and higher into the sand, then every day that the sun is out and the wind is down La Jolla "The Jewel" will freaking stink like a dead whale carcus and the flies will be so thick at "the Jewel" that nobody will want to go close to that place. The ignorant lady who went to the podium to say how all the merchants want the seals to stay might change her toon in 20 years but by then it will be way to late. Just my humble opinion.