Your Public comment has helped!!!!!!! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

kurt · 05-22-2009, 06:12 PM

That's good news. Long way to go, however. Lets blow out the walls of the room in SD and save our grounds. One question, Paul: what's happened with the military closures and how is it affecting fisherman in general?

landwhale · 05-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Took a pic of the early arrivals for the Tuesday night MLPA meeting in Santa Ana Thanks to all that came out

We still need more of you to show up at the workshops coming to your areas and the upcoming RSG meeting and everone to come to the BRTF meeting sometime in October there is still work to be done

zenspearo · 05-22-2009, 07:09 PM

There is no question that the gain we had in the last few days was due in no small part to the overwhelming kayak fishing turn out, particularly for places like La Jolla. You guys were simply impressive and the vibes, the applause, the sea of black shirts, it provides a glimpse of what we all can do together here.

I have some thoughts (okay, a beer helped, but I figure I'd jot it down before I forget).

In preparation for the roadshow workshops, all of us consumptives have to OWN the language used to discuss these issues and don't let the other side put labels on us. That has gone on for too long to our detriment.

First issue:

There are only two types of maps now. NOT fisherman maps and environmentalist maps. NO NO NO. By saying "fisherman map" and "environmentalist maps" we already alienated ourselves with the non-fishing public and elevated the fanatics to the "environmentalist" label.

NO NO NO

We are the conservationists, the ones who fund to preserve and promote habitat via our fishing license fees, dammit.

When we speak up for a map, there are balanced maps (one that balances fishing interests with MLPA goals) and there are extreme maps (one that shuts out all fishing holes and put out businesses). We urge the adoption of the balanced maps, and we reject the extreme maps. Agree?

Second Issue: The extremists will say that the economic pain due to closure is only short term. "Short term economic pain". This is how the latte-sipping crowd can diminish the pain felt by our community and the businesses they will shut down. As John Maynard Keynes would say "In the long run, we are all dead."

A strong point that we need to counter is there is no such thing as a short-term economic pain when you are the one getting wrecked. Look into the eyes of a young child whose father you are about to put out of business and go bankrupt and tell them it's only short-term. Look at a 60-year-old man with his whole life tied into his business, barely making payroll, and tell him "don't worry, it's only short-term pain."

There are other strategic issues that need to be synchronized among our communities to make sure that when we jointly fire up our cannons on June 29th, our rounds will hit the targets square on and hit hard and hit repeatedly.

June 29th and June 30th are La Jolla's do-or-die time. Let's work together.

PAL · 05-22-2009, 07:15 PM

Quote:

That's good news. Long way to go, however. Lets blow out the walls of the room in SD and save our grounds. One question, Paul: what's happened with the military closures and how is it affecting fisherman in general?

The military issue was finally laid to rest this week when the Blue Ribbon Task Force came to the decision to count the pending closure areas on the north end of San Clemente, although Wilson Cove is optional for stakeholder proposals. A San Nicolas closure is also optional. In addition, Begg Rock to the northwest of San Nic was defined as outside military jurisdiction. MPAs cannot be proposed for other parts of SCI.

Many in the preservationist community were deeply disappointed. The result is pressure to make up the difference at Catalina. We might also have picked up more kelp at SCI, at the cost of serious losses such as China Pt to Pyramid Cove, which was one of the proposals. It was a mixed bag Kurt, that hopefully won't spill over to the mainland coast.

Quote:

June 29th and June 30th are La Jolla's do-or-die time. Let's work together.

Hear, hear! I'll see ALL of you at the SD workshops.

Dan · 05-22-2009, 10:01 PM

great updates

. 29th/30th are locked in!

Billy V · 05-22-2009, 10:09 PM

Men in Black III

I would like to see Every Member of Big Water's Edge at both of the San Diego Meetings.
-This last meeting is proof that we can make a difference, and create our own destiny.

We need to fight hard now because you are never going to get another shot at this again. Never.

It pays to be a winner.

05-22-2009, 06:37 PM	#2
landwhale Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach Posts: 506	Took a pic of the early arrivals for the Tuesday night MLPA meeting in Santa Ana Thanks to all that came out We still need more of you to show up at the workshops coming to your areas and the upcoming RSG meeting and everone to come to the BRTF meeting sometime in October there is still work to be done __________________

05-22-2009, 06:12 PM	#1
kurt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: 2 inches above sea level Posts: 503	That's good news. Long way to go, however. Lets blow out the walls of the room in SD and save our grounds. One question, Paul: what's happened with the military closures and how is it affecting fisherman in general?

05-22-2009, 07:09 PM	#3
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	There is no question that the gain we had in the last few days was due in no small part to the overwhelming kayak fishing turn out, particularly for places like La Jolla. You guys were simply impressive and the vibes, the applause, the sea of black shirts, it provides a glimpse of what we all can do together here. I have some thoughts (okay, a beer helped, but I figure I'd jot it down before I forget). In preparation for the roadshow workshops, all of us consumptives have to OWN the language used to discuss these issues and don't let the other side put labels on us. That has gone on for too long to our detriment. First issue: There are only two types of maps now. NOT fisherman maps and environmentalist maps. NO NO NO. By saying "fisherman map" and "environmentalist maps" we already alienated ourselves with the non-fishing public and elevated the fanatics to the "environmentalist" label. NO NO NO We are the conservationists, the ones who fund to preserve and promote habitat via our fishing license fees, dammit. When we speak up for a map, there are balanced maps (one that balances fishing interests with MLPA goals) and there are extreme maps (one that shuts out all fishing holes and put out businesses). We urge the adoption of the balanced maps, and we reject the extreme maps. Agree? Second Issue: The extremists will say that the economic pain due to closure is only short term. "Short term economic pain". This is how the latte-sipping crowd can diminish the pain felt by our community and the businesses they will shut down. As John Maynard Keynes would say "In the long run, we are all dead." A strong point that we need to counter is there is no such thing as a short-term economic pain when you are the one getting wrecked. Look into the eyes of a young child whose father you are about to put out of business and go bankrupt and tell them it's only short-term. Look at a 60-year-old man with his whole life tied into his business, barely making payroll, and tell him "don't worry, it's only short-term pain." There are other strategic issues that need to be synchronized among our communities to make sure that when we jointly fire up our cannons on June 29th, our rounds will hit the targets square on and hit hard and hit repeatedly. June 29th and June 30th are La Jolla's do-or-die time. Let's work together.

05-22-2009, 10:01 PM	#5
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	great updates . 29th/30th are locked in!

05-22-2009, 10:09 PM	#6
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Men in Black III I would like to see Every Member of Big Water's Edge at both of the San Diego Meetings. -This last meeting is proof that we can make a difference, and create our own destiny. We need to fight hard now because you are never going to get another shot at this again. Never. It pays to be a winner.