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zenspearo · 06-03-2009, 02:47 PM

Some more points about the gaps:

For example, as of today, we still don't know what level of protection is given to the military closures. Without the level of protection, we do not know whether and how much the scores would be given to these closures. We don't know what activities would be allowed.

As another example, we understand the kelp has been changed to persistent kelp for the SoCal process. Is it? Or is the RSG to use maximum kelp? average kelp? We do not know who made the decision to change the kelp data in MarineMap, who grants that authority, and what safeguard does the SAT have in place to prevent a single person from unilaterally making that change.

As another example, we do not know what is being done about the data gap in the water shallower than 30 meter region.

What we are asking is for the process to be paused for 60 days for the data to catch up so the RSGs can make more informed decision. So that the public can feel that the process is science-driven instead of agenda-driven. So instead of August RSG meeting, defer the RSG meeting until October.

Holy Mackerel · 06-03-2009, 02:55 PM

Guys this is extremely important. The BRTF has not answered many outstanding questions from the RSG, and public who had asked these questions, and made their concerns in previous meetings!! We can't let it slip away.

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Here is the gist, feel free to put in your own words: Please address the point that there is, in addition to a science data gap, a socio-economic data gap, a financial gap, there is now a credibility gap. The science data gap and the socio-economic data gap come from the inadequate Ecotrust data. The finance gap comes from the fact that the state is flat broke, and we see the cost creeping up at every turn --and no way to pay for closures and DFG is broke. The credibility gap comes from the constantly shifting rules, the demoralized RSGs and incidents like not providing science data material to the RSG until the night before and expecting them to act on it the next day on voluminous data they don't have time to read, and a distrusting public through incidents such as the External C vote.

tylerdurden · 06-03-2009, 03:21 PM

If you get cutoff because you are repeating what has already been said...
say " it is important enough that you hear it again." Everyone that wants it can speak for their minute.

That's just my take.

We got warned at Santa Ana that they might interject if we all said the same thing.

Holy Mackerel · 06-03-2009, 08:04 PM

BUMP!!!

See everyone tomorrow! If you are the fence.. JUST GO!

06-03-2009, 02:47 PM	#1
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Some more points about the gaps: For example, as of today, we still don't know what level of protection is given to the military closures. Without the level of protection, we do not know whether and how much the scores would be given to these closures. We don't know what activities would be allowed. As another example, we understand the kelp has been changed to persistent kelp for the SoCal process. Is it? Or is the RSG to use maximum kelp? average kelp? We do not know who made the decision to change the kelp data in MarineMap, who grants that authority, and what safeguard does the SAT have in place to prevent a single person from unilaterally making that change. As another example, we do not know what is being done about the data gap in the water shallower than 30 meter region. What we are asking is for the process to be paused for 60 days for the data to catch up so the RSGs can make more informed decision. So that the public can feel that the process is science-driven instead of agenda-driven. So instead of August RSG meeting, defer the RSG meeting until October. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

06-03-2009, 03:21 PM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	If you get cutoff because you are repeating what has already been said... say " it is important enough that you hear it again." Everyone that wants it can speak for their minute. That's just my take. We got warned at Santa Ana that they might interject if we all said the same thing. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

06-03-2009, 08:04 PM	#4
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	BUMP!!! See everyone tomorrow! If you are the fence.. JUST GO!