A message from the President- Ocean Czar?

[dos ballenas]

What exactly is your point of concern?

The way marine ecosystems have been managed in the past no longer applies to the current understanding of how the ocean works.

We are learning that everything we once thought to be true is in fact in not.

Why not try and establish a more efficient and up to date system to evaluate the health of our mother ocean?

This MEMORANDUM has nothing to do with the MLPA process currrently under way, and would in fact benefit fishermen as opposed to the environmentalists... as it would include actual reasearch and science...

My take of the message is that we need to be better organised and not waste so much money on conflicting methods and policy which doesn't work.

Are you still mad about losing the election or what? Get over it.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by dos ballenas

This MEMORANDUM has nothing to do with the MLPA process currrently under way.

Actually, at first glance my thought is that this may have a potential impact on the MLPA. I'm not a constitutional lawyer so maybe ZenSpearo can jump on this, but I remember a little from a long time ago - something called the Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution. Basically, the US Constitution and federal laws supercede state laws; meaning that if the Feds intend to regulate the entire coastline/fishery, etc. and Congress ends up going that route then the federal regulatory scheme may supercede laws/regs that the State of California has or is trying to implement via the MLPA (it is a State-run deal, right?). Maybe even get rid of the NoCal and MidCal mlpa closures? Who knows.

It may not end up with the outcome we want (less closures) since the Feds may completely screw it up and close it all, but it could be a potential legal argument for the anti-mlpa crowd.

Just a quick thought ...

[FISHIONADO]

Not flaming anyone, just another opinion...

I really appreciate the President taking seriously the situation happening in our oceans. I like to eat fish and still do but you just can't deny the earth's oceans have lost an incredible amount of consumptive bio-mass. Once the tuna and other open ocean fish are wiped out they will come after our yellowtail and white sea bass, or even calico bass.

We need to use the best science available to understand and regulate the health of the species. I would support size limits and slot limits and other restrictions based on objective data. Only the US fed government can do that.

The first paragraph of the President's memo is magnificent.
The oceans, our coasts, and the Great Lakes provide jobs, food, energy resources, ecological services, recreation, and tourism opportunities, and play critical roles in our Nation's transportation, economy, and trade, as well as the global mobility of our Armed Forces and the maintenance of international peace and security. We have a stewardship responsibility to maintain healthy, resilient, and sustainable oceans, coasts, and Great Lakes resources for the benefit of this and future generations.

[j mo]

Originally Posted by dos ballenas

What exactly is your point of concern?



Are you still mad about losing the election or what? Get over it.

My point of concern is that the current administration has exemplified California environmental policies and that the MLPA could be used as blueprint for the nation and could be easily passed off to the public as something designed”to save/heal mother ocean".


While California’s budget deficit is the largest single obstacle to implementation, that issue becomes moot w respect to the federal governments ability to implement a "national type" MLPA under the federal stimulus package.


Just a few thoughts. I’ve edited my original email, as my concern with our current state of politics may have offended some.

(Dos BallENAS, I used the plural form "politics" which implies all, or both sides of our political party , Implying that I am equally dissapointed...)

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by j mo

My point of concern is that the current administration has exemplified California environmental policies and that the MLPA could be used as blueprint for the nation...

You probably should look at the MPA process as what your talking about already exists, and it was not created during the Obama Administration but went forward during the Bush administration.

Bush loved MPAs: He worked with Groups like the Ocean Conservancy and created the largest MPAs on the planet.



That area is now all closed to fishing.

You might want to note the the rationalization for that massive closure was seal protection.

Bush couldn't even wait for the MPA process to go through the proper public hearings etc...

He feared it would be held up till the next administration, so he stepped in and staged an intervention and directly signed the reserve into existence with a Presidential decree, a proclamation to create the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands Marine National Monument on June 15, 2006.

Originally Posted by j mo

I used the plural form "politics" which implies all, or both sides of our political party , Implying that I am equally dissapointed

Your post is not really equal or nonpartisan, why pretend otherwise? You can't mitigate an attack by adding "I am equally dissapointed" at the end of it, after directing your attack at only one side.

Jim