We thought LJ and the SMM were safe - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Tman · 09-08-2009, 01:33 PM

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to all who realize the signifance of what is at stake, the games they are playing, and the RR job they are trying to pull.

I will be there...I have some Q's for them...and I will be polite about it, don't worry...

robmandel · 09-08-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tman

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to all who realize the signifance of what is at stake, the games they are playing, and the RR job they are trying to pull.

I will be there...I have some Q's for them...and I will be polite about it, don't worry...

you might be polite. I don't plan to be. hell, I live north in LA, and LJ isn't my area, but it pisses me off immensely nonetheless. I love seeing all the reports of big fish down there. wish I could head down there more, or at all. and they're targeting my fav spots too up in malibu.

but it doesn't matter though if I can "save" malibu or some part and you lose LJ. we all still lose, period. any loss is a loss for all. the fact that they can do this is disgusting.

everything in this whole process if f****d up big time. the funding, the arbitrary and inconsistent maps, the inconvenient meetings, the changing agendas and rules, the people on the board (as if the DFG guy isn't the epitome of conflict of interest!!), the bogus science, everything.

this isn't an issue of "compromise". how can we say there's any victory when they are the only ones taking. even if no closures occur, did we "win"? hell no. we have no more than we started with. we want nothing from them, no monies, no special privileges, nothing at all. just to be left the hell alone. hardly alot to ask for, huh??

they have nothing to bargain, nothing to offer. saying they'll take less is b******t. they still win, and they'll come back again and again and again and again and...

and the worst part is that they take and those rat bastard mlpa blue shirt idiots don't even gain a thing. they're as lenin said, "useful idiots". they're tools and fools and they're too stupid to know it. "oh, save the fishees" yeah, like the packard foundation and the RLFF give two shits about the fishes. they don't throw 10's of millions into this for the fishees.

I truly feel for you guys down in SD. I have lots of spots to launch and fish. but you guys got one big one. as scared and pissed as I am, y'all gotta be even more so. I'll be there to join in the fray.

tylerdurden · 09-08-2009, 02:53 PM

Everyone, we have to remain polite. Just think about what being rude, making perosonal attacks, or anything else will accomplish? Nothing. It will piss people off, especially the open minded middle ground that would be a huge benefit to our side.

I know this thing sucks. I am very frustrated with the whole thing. I know it isn't even right or fair, but at this point we are playing the hand we are dealt. If we had involved in stacking the deck earlier like they did we wouldn't be in so much trouble now.

Oh yeah, and the excuses of the people that can't make it are getting really lame. I will give the people that have attended multiple meetings already a pass. The same tired example, if you skip work to fish, why not skip it for this meeting to ensure you can fish in the future. For those that haven't been to a meeting yet, or only attended one, what are you waiting for? We are running out of chances. When you drive by your favorite launch spot next year and it's closed down, you may kick yourself. "If only I had attended a couple of those meetings I could still fish."

B Slate · 09-08-2009, 06:35 PM

School or mlpa meeting?
Hmmm thats a stupid question
See you all there

I could sure use some good luck Karma

dgax65 · 09-08-2009, 07:50 PM

I'll be there. I hope we get a better turn-out than we did at the Santa Monica meeting.

FISHIONADO · 09-09-2009, 06:07 AM

I really want to attend but that is the only day my hair stylist is available.

forcefed · 09-09-2009, 10:22 AM

im with rob on this one,
at this point in the process, were screwed no matter what. At this point we should be looking at the appeals process.
It makes me wonder if we had boycotted this process from the beginning, and they had no cross interest assistance in the development, if this whole thing would be looked at as a joke. Instead we can read from them "we have worked together to create this" and we have...
You can just sit there quietly, speak about "your preferd map" thats exactly what they want you to do.
or you can make a statement that will make an impact, maybe even rattle someones nerves
we joined in on this only to become tools of the process.

I for one declare revolt against the dfg and would call them out by name and demand those involved be held accountable.

09-08-2009, 01:33 PM	#1
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Big to all who realize the signifance of what is at stake, the games they are playing, and the RR job they are trying to pull. I will be there...I have some Q's for them...and I will be polite about it, don't worry... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

09-08-2009, 02:53 PM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Everyone, we have to remain polite. Just think about what being rude, making perosonal attacks, or anything else will accomplish? Nothing. It will piss people off, especially the open minded middle ground that would be a huge benefit to our side. I know this thing sucks. I am very frustrated with the whole thing. I know it isn't even right or fair, but at this point we are playing the hand we are dealt. If we had involved in stacking the deck earlier like they did we wouldn't be in so much trouble now. Oh yeah, and the excuses of the people that can't make it are getting really lame. I will give the people that have attended multiple meetings already a pass. The same tired example, if you skip work to fish, why not skip it for this meeting to ensure you can fish in the future. For those that haven't been to a meeting yet, or only attended one, what are you waiting for? We are running out of chances. When you drive by your favorite launch spot next year and it's closed down, you may kick yourself. "If only I had attended a couple of those meetings I could still fish." __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

09-08-2009, 07:50 PM	#5
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	I'll be there. I hope we get a better turn-out than we did at the Santa Monica meeting. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

09-08-2009, 06:35 PM	#4
B Slate Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Verne Posts: 92	School or mlpa meeting? Hmmm thats a stupid question See you all there I could sure use some good luck Karma

09-09-2009, 06:07 AM	#6
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I really want to attend but that is the only day my hair stylist is available.

09-09-2009, 10:22 AM	#7
forcefed Junior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: West of the Rockies Posts: 7	im with rob on this one, at this point in the process, were screwed no matter what. At this point we should be looking at the appeals process. It makes me wonder if we had boycotted this process from the beginning, and they had no cross interest assistance in the development, if this whole thing would be looked at as a joke. Instead we can read from them "we have worked together to create this" and we have... You can just sit there quietly, speak about "your preferd map" thats exactly what they want you to do. or you can make a statement that will make an impact, maybe even rattle someones nerves we joined in on this only to become tools of the process. I for one declare revolt against the dfg and would call them out by name and demand those involved be held accountable.