MLPA Maps

[CurtyL]

here's a link to the new maps. not great quality but they are readable.

http://spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=91844

WG1 seems to look bes for LJ at this point. Not sure if WG2 is even finished with San Diego yet.

[PAL]

Those maps are hard to read. WG 2 has the lightest impact - no additional closures at all.

In the LJ area:

WG1 - reserve and SMCA at south LJ. Plus a big reserve at N Pt Loma. Can you say compaction? This group is not done; still arguing over north SD county.

WG2 - existing closure only at LJ. SAT guidelines met with north Pt Loma reserve

WG3 - closes south LJ thru Crystal Pier. No closure at Pt Loma. Enlarges existing LJ closures enlarged, bait only at the pier.

[Matt]

Let's hope the voices of reason and sanity are heard and WG 2 gets the vote!!

Work is killing me sorry guys and gals! Thank you for helping out and putting forth the effort for today's meeting!

[nunyabizness1]

I think the meeting went well today. Great representation from the kayakers! Map 2 seemed to have the most interest and support from the crowd. Fishermen outnumbered the enviros.

Good to see everyone there who was able to make it.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by PAL

Those maps are hard to read. WG 2 has the lightest impact - no additional closures at all.

WG2 looks very good compared to the others, what's the odds that we can get the BRTF to accept that one?

To all that were there today.. Thanks!!!

I had a meeting this morning that I had to go to, but I called a friend that was there and he said you guys were thick as macks on chumline

Thanks again!!

Jim

[Corey]

The kayakers and spearfishers were represented with decent numbers. Thanks to everyone who came out. But where are the pb'ers? I guess they don't care?

[tylerdurden]

We kayakers showed up in decent numbers. Not the best we've done though. Thanks to everyone that did make it. Huge thanks to those that donated their time to me so I could get through a longer presentation. It's tough to drive all that way and give your time to someone else so I really appreciated it.

October 20-22 we need a better turnout. This is the most important meeting yet. This is where things really hit the fan. The BRTF will most likely combine the maps to come up with what they really want. How that goes is up in the air. Our input can help. There will be at least one public comment session, maybe two.

I hope they schedule at least one of those at a reasonable time for working people. You can email and ask for just that here:

mlpacommen​ts@resource​s.ca.gov


Any messages made now should not be addressed to the RSG members. Their work is finishing up today if all goes as planned. Now is the time to direct comments to the BRTF about which map is best, or which areas should remain open. The maps should be made available soon.

It is getting old seeing the same people at these meetings. We need new faces. Many of the MLPA staff are on a first name basis with some of us. We need to do better. We sound like the same small bunch of whiney fishermen similar to the crazy laguna ladies. It is hard to say there are thousands of us, when only the same handful show up everytime. Where was everyone that attended the great rallies over the last weekend? It's easy to make a statement when it doesn't matter as much. Driving around with your buddies for a few hours with signs on your boat and having a bbq afterwards is fun, but the real differences being made in this struggle are in hotel ballrooms at the actual meetings.

For those that say public comment hasn't helped, look at what has become of the maps. Many are still very ugly, but key concessions have been made in areas that we complained the most about. Most notably La Jolla.

[Rob929]

Thanks to those that made it this morning (major pain in the ass to get up that early to drive to the armpit of california).

Major props to Tyler, who (imho) has been a key player in all of this.. on all of your behalfs.. It's the guys like this who are making an impact by putting in the time to become knowledgeable wiht this process, the maps etc, in order to make effective commetns and recommendations at these meetings. So my many thanks...

My other opinion is that the turnout was pretty weak. I honestly thought the presence at this meeting would trump the last one, and well, it didn't : (

This is not over. There are still efforts that can be made, and as Tyler mentioned, there will still be meetings where our presence is a must! The accomplishments that have been made so far by those involved should be motivation enough that we can continue to positively influence this in our favor.. its our only hope. If you are not sure what you can do, reach out to others here that will be happy to point you in the right direction. I will be the first to admit that I am no expert in these matters. There are plenty of guys who are generous enough to clue you in on the important stuff, and what you and I can do to help.

[Billy V]

Tyler's Post says it all.

First name basis with the BRTF and I Team. Its soo true its scary.
-Just ask Martin T Man what happened this morning. I had called him from the road on the way to LA and asked him to submit my speaker card.
When He handed it to Kelly she said,
"Martin, you can do that for Bill. :0 "
Holy Crap She Knows our Kids Names at this point.

Where were all the BBQ'ers from the Tow-Your-Boat-Rally ???
When it comes to doing The Heavy Lifting I don't mind Fighting the Fight, but those guys could have accomplished much more with a simple trip to Today's Meeting.
- I was done with the meeting and back Home in San Diego at 12:30 Today.

There are No Laurels to Rest On! Please Do Not Get a False Sense of Security. This Nightmare is Far From Over.

[LipYanker]

I couldnt believe the old laguna lady that said her husband is a kayak fisherman and he will just paddle through the MPA so go ahead and close laguna.

I bet with as old as that woman was, that her husband wont be paddling 3 miles offshore to fish.

And the kid that said he doesnt want the ocean to run out of fish? Where do these people come from? Today really opened my eyes to what a difference a few intelligent comments can make. I'll do my best to be at the next meeting as well.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Corey

The kayakers and spearfishers were represented with decent numbers. Thanks to everyone who came out. But where are the pb'ers? I guess they don't care?

I think since day one in the Allcoast and BD Pbr community there has been a vocal group of posters who have been saying the fix is in and there is not point in trying to work within the process. I'd disagree with that but it's prevalent on those boards. There were also some who said that they were going to just stop this whole thing in it's tracks with lawsuits etc...That has not worked. Essentially there's kind of defeatist mentality that has set in and limited participation of some in the boating community. Though there are some that have participated and worked very hard for our rights, there are others are just disenfranchised, no longer interested, and no longer involved.

It's not like they do not care, more like they are burnt out, and feel they can't make a difference.

I think the kayak community got in later and had a more practical approach to the process. We certainly have not won yet, but I believe we have made a big difference and its not over either.

Jim