Round 3 maps are up. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

rogersmith · 09-25-2009, 07:52 AM

this is the most moronic thing I have ever seen in my life. I lived through the striped bass closure on the east coast and they understood one basic rule...FISH SWIM YOU MORONS! The closure, was comprehensive when it was required. And it was based on science. What, do they think the fish will get a copy of their little maps and know where to swim into the colored boxes to avoid being caught? Good lord.

dgax65 · 09-25-2009, 12:04 PM

For the enviros, this is all just a theoretical exercise. They have NO TANGIBLE STAKE in this process. If there were no closures, they would lose nothing. If they close the entire coast, they lose nothing. They literally have nothing tangible to lose. We are the only ones that stand to lose access. Any closure is a net gain for them. Bargaining usually involves a give and take process. You give up a little something of value and the other guy gives up a little something of his. Bargaining only works when both sides have to part with something of value. Regardless of the outcome of this deeply flawed process, they lose nothing. They can demand draconian closures, because, even if they have to back off a little on their proposals, they still have won.

This whole thing makes me sick.

tylerdurden · 09-25-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dgax65

For the enviros, this is all just a theoretical exercise. They have NO TANGIBLE STAKE in this process. If there were no closures, they would lose nothing. If they close the entire coast, they lose nothing. They literally have nothing tangible to lose. We are the only ones that stand to lose access. Any closure is a net gain for them. Bargaining usually involves a give and take process. You give up a little something of value and the other guy gives up a little something of his. Bargaining only works when both sides have to part with something of value. Regardless of the outcome of this deeply flawed process, they lose nothing. They can demand draconian closures, because, even if they have to back off a little on their proposals, they still have won.

This whole thing makes me sick.

exactly.

They "let us" have 50% of our fishing grounds and we are supposed to say thank you and give them a pat on the back becuase they didn't take 90% of the productive areas. The humiliation is we have to beg and complain just to get the 50% back.

We have to show up or they will take everything they can get, or everything we give up by not showing up.

Billy V · 09-25-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerdurden

We have to show up or they will take everything they can get, or everything we give up by not showing up.

We need the entire contingent of Kayak/Spearo sportsman present at this meeting, or we will loose it all.

Holy Mackerel · 09-25-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy V

We need the entire contingent of Kayak/Spearo sportsman present at this meeting, or we will loose it all.

We'll get the good ol fashioned "Roll Call" closer to the date, seems like the lists grows day by day!!!

JoeBeck · 09-28-2009, 09:12 AM

Just checking out the maps in detail.

Where: MLPA website: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp

MarineMap: http://www.marinemap.org/marinemap/

Group 2 is the best for La Jolla and my Catalina spots but it sucks for Point Loma.

stuppid · 09-28-2009, 02:28 PM

Whichever one is the worst for the greatest amount of people will be the on that passes. Has anyone ever considered that there is no regulation that you have to have a GPS onboard your vessel? How are they going to enforce the closures? How are you supposed to know if you are within the closure or not? If you are fishing 1000' inside of a closure and fish and game roll up and ticket you what evidence will they bring to court? Will their GPS observations hold up in court? Will it have to be calibrated periodically like a radar gun? They would have to sneak up on you and catch you fishing to give you a ticket. You can posess fish and fishing gear while in a closure. I know that if I am a mile and a half off shore even with binoculars they will have a hard time knowing whether I am fishing or not and I don't think a boat can sneak up on me.

09-25-2009, 12:04 PM	#2
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	For the enviros, this is all just a theoretical exercise. They have NO TANGIBLE STAKE in this process. If there were no closures, they would lose nothing. If they close the entire coast, they lose nothing. They literally have nothing tangible to lose. We are the only ones that stand to lose access. Any closure is a net gain for them. Bargaining usually involves a give and take process. You give up a little something of value and the other guy gives up a little something of his. Bargaining only works when both sides have to part with something of value. Regardless of the outcome of this deeply flawed process, they lose nothing. They can demand draconian closures, because, even if they have to back off a little on their proposals, they still have won. This whole thing makes me sick. __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

09-25-2009, 07:52 AM	#1
rogersmith Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 465	this is the most moronic thing I have ever seen in my life. I lived through the striped bass closure on the east coast and they understood one basic rule...FISH SWIM YOU MORONS! The closure, was comprehensive when it was required. And it was based on science. What, do they think the fish will get a copy of their little maps and know where to swim into the colored boxes to avoid being caught? Good lord.

09-28-2009, 09:12 AM	#6
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Just checking out the maps in detail. Where: MLPA website: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/scrsg-dprops-r3.asp MarineMap: http://www.marinemap.org/marinemap/ Group 2 is the best for La Jolla and my Catalina spots but it sucks for Point Loma.

09-28-2009, 02:28 PM	#7
stuppid Junior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11	Whichever one is the worst for the greatest amount of people will be the on that passes. Has anyone ever considered that there is no regulation that you have to have a GPS onboard your vessel? How are they going to enforce the closures? How are you supposed to know if you are within the closure or not? If you are fishing 1000' inside of a closure and fish and game roll up and ticket you what evidence will they bring to court? Will their GPS observations hold up in court? Will it have to be calibrated periodically like a radar gun? They would have to sneak up on you and catch you fishing to give you a ticket. You can posess fish and fishing gear while in a closure. I know that if I am a mile and a half off shore even with binoculars they will have a hard time knowing whether I am fishing or not and I don't think a boat can sneak up on me.