Live from the BRTF meeting - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Sunburn · 11-10-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by robmandel

the DFG already said they can't (and my guess is honestly, won't, as the politics and PR would be a nightmare) enforce it.

Don't worry, DFG is not needed for enforcement.

Using the Children's pool at LJ as an example, there will be "nuts" in 150 HP Zodiacs yelling at you through a bull horn, cutting lines and ramming boats "enforcing MLPA law"

I'm just saying....

peguinpower · 11-10-2009, 08:36 PM

I have something to say to those tree huggin wack job enviros....

fryguy · 11-10-2009, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunburn

Don't worry, DFG is not needed for enforcement.

Using the Children's pool at LJ as an example, there will be "nuts" in 150 HP Zodiacs yelling at you through a bull horn, cutting lines and ramming boats "enforcing MLPA law"

I'm just saying....

Nah...from the looks of it, i bet most of them never go anywhere near the water.

I do wonder though - you'd think that if the Packard Foundation and other enviro interest groups spent all this effort and money to get their agenda, they'd have the DFG locked up too. Why would they overlook this?

Does anybody know what happens if there is no funding for the research or to monitor the MPAs? Do they just sit there and we get f*#ked for nothing?

Siebler · 11-10-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunburn

Don't worry, DFG is not needed for enforcement.

Using the Children's pool at LJ as an example, there will be "nuts" in 150 HP Zodiacs yelling at you through a bull horn, cutting lines and ramming boats "enforcing MLPA law"

I'm just saying....

Just remember the phrase "I was in fear for my life" and youll be fine

bellcon · 11-10-2009, 09:11 PM

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Just remember the phrase "I was in fear for my life" and youll be fine

exactly...

that's the phrase I would have used if I was Charles
to explain the puddle on the floor

tylerdurden · 11-10-2009, 09:14 PM

Wow.

That sucked. I will post my full thoughts tomorrow or when I recover.

We came out OK in San Diego. Pretty bad in most other ways, ok in others.

I am so sorry for the battles that we lost. It was a tragedy. Some of our best grounds were lost forever.

I think our participation made a big difference in terms of LJ. If it wasn't for our turnout, we would still be arguing over the kelp in North LJ. Still, we could have turned out better throughout the process to support our access issues in all our launch and fishing zones.

Thanks to Paul L, MJ Kennedy, Joel G, Tommy G, and every RSG member on our side. You guys did great for us.

Dan · 11-10-2009, 09:36 PM

Tyler, Billy, Chris, Joe and everyone else on this board who put in their emails, comments and emotions.

Thanks for all your hard work and timely updates along the way. I was only batting about 50% for the meetings but tried to work a bunch of middle ground angles with "the others". I know for a fact that our noise (the kayakers and spearos) early on saved fishing access at La Jolla Canyon, the half and 3/4 all the way down to the lower NW. I'm still in utter shock and dismay that "norte" is for bait only. At least on days when there's no fog.

nunyabizness1 · 11-10-2009, 09:40 PM

Huge thanks to all who represented! We have a great group of people here fighting the fight. Thank you for all you have done!

mwm · 11-10-2009, 11:01 PM

When the Science Advisory Team presentation started systematically pointing out why all the fishing friendly options were inferior in each area of the coast, the deck was being stacked against us. The BRTF had no intention from the start IMHO to consider leaving LJ unscathed. Even the members of the BRTF that might sympathize with us were looking to compromise and move on. The BRTF knew full well that the majority of the public in that room didn't support the outcome they chose, but there is a big difference between opening the process to the public and following their wishes. When you get appointed officials who do not answer to the public (can get voted out), they have no risk of repercussion if they disregard the majority of the publics wishes. Alas the Packard Foundation

got their money's worth by buying the MLPA process and our kids and theirs will be cheated out of the joys of fishing great places where they should have access.

Tough as today's outcome was, I also agree it could have been much worse had we not mounted the effort to make our case. Thanks Paul, Chris, Tyler, Joe, and so many others for galvanizing this effort.

Mike

Grego · 11-10-2009, 11:27 PM

Well, I'm not fully recovered from this day, but I had a mere 30 minute drive because of traffic to get home. Thanks to all of you that made the 2-4 hour drive up and back in traffic.

LJ and PV kayakers/spearos put the most time and effort in, and we ended up better than most areas. I don't think our efforts were for nothing....I think we would have ended up worse than we are if it hadn't been for our efforts. We did what we could against impossible odds, everything was stacked against us the entire length of this process, but we kept at it.

Paul and MJ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! We would have been so screwed if you didn't jump on our ass to get off our asses. OH, and Chris Fierro (HolyMackeral) I personally thank you also for being one of the first at firing up the boards...I thought you were on crack when you first started posted on every frick'n board!! LOL

If you guys remember when we did the flyers, Baytubers did an internal fundraiser to pay for the printing for our area. We raised over $1,600.00 and had a little leftover reserve after printing, so after the spearos treated us the last time with pizza, we decided it was the kayakers turn to step up and provide the pizza and drinks. Besides a dozen or so Baytubers who donated to the kitty, if you get a chance, please thank Mark & Karen Ezell from Hook1 who donated $200, Xstreamline Kayak Shop $100, and Bob Sands Tackle $100...their donations alone almost paid for all the pizza and drinks today.

zenspearo · 11-11-2009, 12:38 AM

Thank you our kayakfishing brothers and sisters.

As bad as it was, if we weren't there together and asking questions and bringing up issues, the maps would have been much, much worse. Kudos to everyone. The alliance between kayakfishermen and spearos will be something that other regions will study for a long time as a model of cooperation and gain in the face of almost impossible odds.

And thank you for the pizza. You guys rock.

P.S. We have the Dec. 9th meeting with DFG coming up. I told Billy V. that I'm re-donating the brand-new, still-in-the-wrapper fishing rod I won (some expensive brand name, I'm told, and I researched the idea of tying rubber bands to it and making it a polespear but gave up after it seems to be too much trouble

). The fishing rod will be raffled out to kayakfishermen signing up to go to the DFG meeting on Dec. 9th to speak for all of us.

We will ride again. You all did great today. See you Dec. 9th.

herbo · 11-11-2009, 12:57 AM

I'm proud of all the spearos, kayak fishers and the others who made it there today,I'm also ashamed that I had committed to be there and my gimp knee gave out(couldn't walk let alone drive there) and special thanks to all who spent endless hours rallying the troops!!!.....H

11-10-2009, 08:36 PM	#2
peguinpower bing! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: socal Posts: 246	I have something to say to those tree huggin wack job enviros.... Last edited by peguinpower; 11-11-2009 at 04:12 PM.

11-10-2009, 09:14 PM	#6
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Wow. That sucked. I will post my full thoughts tomorrow or when I recover. We came out OK in San Diego. Pretty bad in most other ways, ok in others. I am so sorry for the battles that we lost. It was a tragedy. Some of our best grounds were lost forever. I think our participation made a big difference in terms of LJ. If it wasn't for our turnout, we would still be arguing over the kelp in North LJ. Still, we could have turned out better throughout the process to support our access issues in all our launch and fishing zones. Thanks to Paul L, MJ Kennedy, Joel G, Tommy G, and every RSG member on our side. You guys did great for us. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-11-2009, 12:38 AM	#11
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Thank you our kayakfishing brothers and sisters. As bad as it was, if we weren't there together and asking questions and bringing up issues, the maps would have been much, much worse. Kudos to everyone. The alliance between kayakfishermen and spearos will be something that other regions will study for a long time as a model of cooperation and gain in the face of almost impossible odds. And thank you for the pizza. You guys rock. P.S. We have the Dec. 9th meeting with DFG coming up. I told Billy V. that I'm re-donating the brand-new, still-in-the-wrapper fishing rod I won (some expensive brand name, I'm told, and I researched the idea of tying rubber bands to it and making it a polespear but gave up after it seems to be too much trouble). The fishing rod will be raffled out to kayakfishermen signing up to go to the DFG meeting on Dec. 9th to speak for all of us. We will ride again. You all did great today. See you Dec. 9th. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

11-11-2009, 12:57 AM	#12
herbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canyon Country, Ca. Posts: 116	I'm proud of all the spearos, kayak fishers and the others who made it there today,I'm also ashamed that I had committed to be there and my gimp knee gave out(couldn't walk let alone drive there) and special thanks to all who spent endless hours rallying the troops!!!.....H __________________ mellow yellow malibu eXtreme

11-10-2009, 09:36 PM	#7
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	Tyler, Billy, Chris, Joe and everyone else on this board who put in their emails, comments and emotions. Thanks for all your hard work and timely updates along the way. I was only batting about 50% for the meetings but tried to work a bunch of middle ground angles with "the others". I know for a fact that our noise (the kayakers and spearos) early on saved fishing access at La Jolla Canyon, the half and 3/4 all the way down to the lower NW. I'm still in utter shock and dismay that "norte" is for bait only. At least on days when there's no fog.

11-10-2009, 09:40 PM	#8
nunyabizness1 Maggie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nunya Posts: 126	Huge thanks to all who represented! We have a great group of people here fighting the fight. Thank you for all you have done!

11-10-2009, 11:01 PM	#9
mwm Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 33	When the Science Advisory Team presentation started systematically pointing out why all the fishing friendly options were inferior in each area of the coast, the deck was being stacked against us. The BRTF had no intention from the start IMHO to consider leaving LJ unscathed. Even the members of the BRTF that might sympathize with us were looking to compromise and move on. The BRTF knew full well that the majority of the public in that room didn't support the outcome they chose, but there is a big difference between opening the process to the public and following their wishes. When you get appointed officials who do not answer to the public (can get voted out), they have no risk of repercussion if they disregard the majority of the publics wishes. Alas the Packard Foundation got their money's worth by buying the MLPA process and our kids and theirs will be cheated out of the joys of fishing great places where they should have access. Tough as today's outcome was, I also agree it could have been much worse had we not mounted the effort to make our case. Thanks Paul, Chris, Tyler, Joe, and so many others for galvanizing this effort. Mike

11-10-2009, 11:27 PM	#10
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	Well, I'm not fully recovered from this day, but I had a mere 30 minute drive because of traffic to get home. Thanks to all of you that made the 2-4 hour drive up and back in traffic. LJ and PV kayakers/spearos put the most time and effort in, and we ended up better than most areas. I don't think our efforts were for nothing....I think we would have ended up worse than we are if it hadn't been for our efforts. We did what we could against impossible odds, everything was stacked against us the entire length of this process, but we kept at it. Paul and MJ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! We would have been so screwed if you didn't jump on our ass to get off our asses. OH, and Chris Fierro (HolyMackeral) I personally thank you also for being one of the first at firing up the boards...I thought you were on crack when you first started posted on every frick'n board!! LOL If you guys remember when we did the flyers, Baytubers did an internal fundraiser to pay for the printing for our area. We raised over $1,600.00 and had a little leftover reserve after printing, so after the spearos treated us the last time with pizza, we decided it was the kayakers turn to step up and provide the pizza and drinks. Besides a dozen or so Baytubers who donated to the kitty, if you get a chance, please thank Mark & Karen Ezell from Hook1 who donated $200, Xstreamline Kayak Shop $100, and Bob Sands Tackle $100...their donations alone almost paid for all the pizza and drinks today.