The IPA maps

[LORENZ]

You guys use a langauge that's all your own. Talk like a normal guy and the normal guy would be more prone to help out.

Blue means
Red means
H&L is

[Holy Mackerel]

Originally Posted by LORENZ

You guys use a langauge that's all your own. Talk like a normal guy and the normal guy would be more prone to help out.

Blue means
Red means
H&L is

where the hell you been all year?

BLUE = STATE MARINE CONSERVATION AREA (SMCA) limited-specific take

RED = STATE MARINE RESERVE (SMR) NO TAKE

H&L = HOOK AND LINE

[tylerdurden]

The IPA has been added to marinemap. Lets us look at the maps in detail.

http://marinemap.org/marinemap/

Then click on MPAs, Arrays, Proposals
Then Click on MLPA SouthCoast Integrated Preferred Alternative (IPA)

It is about the 10th one on the list.

Red means no fishing, no take. Take a hike.
To find out what is allowed in a blue area, click it and see the allowed uses or read the text that comes up.

Try not to puke.

[screaming reel]

So for Scripps it says allow the take of coastal pelagic fin fish. Does that mean YT? Sounds like it does.

[kurt]

No, coastal pelagics are sardines, mackerel, anchovies. Bait. Unless DFG has changed their definition of coastal pelagic, yellowtail fall under pelagic.

[tylerdurden]

Kurt has it right.
Costal pelagic means bait.
Sardine, anchovy, mac, smelt, squid. I think that is about it.

Pelagic is different.

The Scripps SMCA allows bait only by hook and line as it is proposed now.

[LORENZ]

Here's another pissed off moment.

I've gone to the shops, I've asked around in the normal places a guy would ask around about fishing junk. The shop folk were more ignorant than I on the subject.

"Go on the web" was a common theme. The most knowledgeable folks who were coherent were the weekend fishing shows. 1 in particular, and even those guys made my ears bleed. Simple questions like what areas are being closed turned into 5 minute rants.

I'll be the first to say, that these maps were the clearest most accessible info on the closures that I've found. I think I'm talking for the majority of fisherman. It's been pretty hard to figure out what's going on when you spend a couple minutes here and there to keep abreast of the fight.

[Holy Mackerel]

Originally Posted by LORENZ

I've been working all year. That's what working class slobs do.

This is the heart of the problem. Normal folks work and don't have time to deal with the take over of Democrats and Enviros.

yeah, I am a bum with all kinds of free time.

[screaming reel]

On google earth it looks as though the scripps reserve will end around Blacks proper. So it appears that north blacks and torry are still in the fishable zone. Am I right to assume this?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LORENZ

Does north blacks stop at bathtub rock or the at the mussle rocks right before you get into nicked land.

post the map your talking about.

http://southcoast.marinemap.org/marinemap/

once it opens, click: MPAs, Arrays, and Proposals

go nine boxes down and click the box.

then, drill down by clicking on the map till you get to Scripps.

You'll see that the new reserve extends from the Pier to one mile north, which is just shy of the trail down from glider port. So if you like to fish nude, you're all set. If, on the otherhand you like to fish from your kayak in that area you're fucked.

[FISHIONADO]

I'm grumpy and pissed off but after reading the stuff above I can see how difficult it is to learn about this stuff if you just now heard about it. Without following this fishing board I probably would not have had visibility to the bullshit we just saw and would not have attended the BTRF and Surfrider and City Council meetings.

Dsafety was dead-on with his last post.

[lamb]

Tyler thanks for putting the maps and info up...

It is a real tragedy, but such a concise info in one place helps... if nothing else - get more easily depressed.

Please easy with political bs popaganda... it's boring, and has nothing to do with MLPA.

[tylerdurden]

Thanks guys. You forgot Paul, MJ and the rest of our RSG members. They spent more time on this than any of us "civilians" that got involved.

dsafety hit it right on.

I am frustrated that even after putting up the info people want to know, and the maps and tools to figure things out, people are too lazy to do it themselves. A quick google search or search of these message boards will answer most questions anyone has. This apathy and lack of motivation is a big part of what got us into the mess we are in now. Too few people willing to sacrifice some of their own time to find out what is going on and ensure a better fishing future. Too few only care now that the final map has been proposed and it is awful, when it might be too late to make the big changes they now demand. Too many people waste time on fishing message boards arguing about useless shit and asking questions like "how do I catch a fish?" instead of working in a constructive way on this MLPA issue. Now that the process is entering the endgame, it is maddening to hear people come in late in the game saying they wished they could have helped, but they have a job and no time. We needed your participation 8 months ago. We still need it now, but we can't help but wonder where you have been the last year. The MLPA posts on all the fishing boards has been hard to miss, not to mention the fliers at tackle shops, landings etc.

All of us that got involved in the MLPA process have jobs, families, and other things we would like to spend time on. We all spent vacation time, sick time, and unpaid time off to make a difference. We got involved because the result will directly effect our lives. I would argue that whether McCain or Obama is president will have less of a direct effect on most of our lives than the closure of LJ, PV, or Malibu would. I still can't understand why so many of us, with so much at stake did nothing. I remember the gist of a quote that struck me as relevant to this. "We will remember not only the people out to get us, but the good people that did nothing and let it happen."

It's not too late to make a difference. Stay tuned to the boards for more info. It's not over, but we are closer to the end than the start.

[Billy V]

It also makes me crazy to hear people come on this site asking MLPA Questions like they have been living On The Moon for the Past Year

-Please don't think you have a valid excuse because You Had To Work.
So did everybody else, just ask the guys who have no Vacation Time left for the Entire Year. Or guys who took off from work without pay for many of the meetings.

Unless you were dealing with a Medical Emergency, as some of us were, there is really no excuse.
-Unless I was sending Flowers to Your Funeral.-That would be a Valid Excuse.

We did everything possible including Bussing People to the Meetings for FREE, and sent them home with a Free Half Day Voucher for San Diego Sport Fishing Boats.

We literally printed and distributed Thousands of fliers like this. Up and Down the South Coast. Our brothers from Baytubers and Spearboard did the same. Tackle stores, launch ramps, Kayak Launch Sites, and more.


Read the Top Left Corner

[driftwood]

Originally Posted by screaming reel

On google earth it looks as though the scripps reserve will end around Blacks proper. So it appears that north blacks and torry are still in the fishable zone. Am I right to assume this?

A wise man once told me, " If you think education is expensive and takes too much time try ignorance"