Catch & Release Discussion - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

blackcloud9 · 02-07-2010, 08:15 PM

Bob, Regarding recreational fish-catch counts, people that fish sportboats
are never asked because the boat and/or landing is required to provide
fish counts. Kayakers are more difficult to find, and most private boaters
are used to seeing the surveys at the launch/landing area (I believe).

And sorry, I forgot to answer your other question above regarding the
commercial guys and limits. Commercial fishermen are not regulated by
DFG "sport" limits, if any at all.

See http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishing.asp#Commercial for more info.

Larry

dsafety · 02-07-2010, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcloud9

Bob, Regarding recreational fish-catch counts, people that fish sportboats
are never asked because the boat and/or landing is required to provide
fish counts. Kayakers are more difficult to find, and most private boaters
are used to seeing the surveys at the launch/landing area (I believe).

And sorry, I forgot to answer your other question above regarding the
commercial guys and limits. Commercial fishermen are not regulated by
DFG "sport" limits, if any at all.

See http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishing.asp#Commercial for more info.

Larry

I know that you answered the question but if you read your answer, it seems that there are a lot of holes in the data collection techniques. Can we have any faith in the numbers that we have been presented?

Bob

cioppino · 02-08-2010, 08:42 AM

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Heres a good example of catch and release Bob. Unfortunately they all rushed the scuppers at the same time and failed to make it back in the water!

I love Cedros Island.

Our fisheries health starts and ends with commercial fishing. You can catch and release all you want if thats what makes YOU happy. As long as everyone follows the regs then any problem you have with it is just that, your problem.

I have made this comparison before but I will revisit it. Take a City lake for this analogy. Large mouth bass are not stocked. There is a reasonable take and size limit. They are targeted YEAR long almost everyday. Some fishermen take their limit every time, while others practice catch n release. Large mouth bass are not in danger of being over fished in these lakes. Anglers arent descimating LMB populations to the point of collapse. LMB are growing huge and their overall stocks are doing just fine.

I talk about fresh water bass fishing because it is a prime example of a controlled environment not subject to commercial fishing. It is a healthy and sustainable fishery without MLPAs and without seasonal closures.

Now lets take that same City lake and set me and my commercial gillnet boat loose in that same lake. In a matter of days you would have a fishery on the verge of collapse, one in diar need of serious regulating. What was once a ballanced and viable fishery for decades would be toast!

My final babbling point, Bob due what makes you happy. Just dont hassle someone who isnt breaking the law and is well within the state regs by taking three fish in a week. Dont fool yourself by believing releasing fish is going to bring back any fishery when those same fish get their buts kicked by commercial fishermen.

Get out there and catch some fish, you will feel a lot better.

dsafety · 02-08-2010, 08:53 AM

Cioppino,

You and I will continue to disagree on this subject but I respect your opinion and your right to have it. You and others have made some very valid points about the harmful affect that can come as a result of irresponsible commercial fishing activities. On that subject we are in total agreement.

I am hopeful that by starting this discussion I was not perceived to be "hassling" anyone in particular. That certainly was not my intent.

Bob

02-07-2010, 08:15 PM	#1
blackcloud9 Kayaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Big Rock, WindanSea, La Jolla Posts: 413	Bob, Regarding recreational fish-catch counts, people that fish sportboats are never asked because the boat and/or landing is required to provide fish counts. Kayakers are more difficult to find, and most private boaters are used to seeing the surveys at the launch/landing area (I believe). And sorry, I forgot to answer your other question above regarding the commercial guys and limits. Commercial fishermen are not regulated by DFG "sport" limits, if any at all. See http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/fishing.asp#Commercial for more info. Larry

02-08-2010, 08:42 AM	#3
cioppino Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: La Jolla Posts: 94	116_1614.jpg Heres a good example of catch and release Bob. Unfortunately they all rushed the scuppers at the same time and failed to make it back in the water! I love Cedros Island. Our fisheries health starts and ends with commercial fishing. You can catch and release all you want if thats what makes YOU happy. As long as everyone follows the regs then any problem you have with it is just that, your problem. I have made this comparison before but I will revisit it. Take a City lake for this analogy. Large mouth bass are not stocked. There is a reasonable take and size limit. They are targeted YEAR long almost everyday. Some fishermen take their limit every time, while others practice catch n release. Large mouth bass are not in danger of being over fished in these lakes. Anglers arent descimating LMB populations to the point of collapse. LMB are growing huge and their overall stocks are doing just fine. I talk about fresh water bass fishing because it is a prime example of a controlled environment not subject to commercial fishing. It is a healthy and sustainable fishery without MLPAs and without seasonal closures. Now lets take that same City lake and set me and my commercial gillnet boat loose in that same lake. In a matter of days you would have a fishery on the verge of collapse, one in diar need of serious regulating. What was once a ballanced and viable fishery for decades would be toast! My final babbling point, Bob due what makes you happy. Just dont hassle someone who isnt breaking the law and is well within the state regs by taking three fish in a week. Dont fool yourself by believing releasing fish is going to bring back any fishery when those same fish get their buts kicked by commercial fishermen. Get out there and catch some fish, you will feel a lot better.

02-08-2010, 08:53 AM	#4
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,122	Cioppino, You and I will continue to disagree on this subject but I respect your opinion and your right to have it. You and others have made some very valid points about the harmful affect that can come as a result of irresponsible commercial fishing activities. On that subject we are in total agreement. I am hopeful that by starting this discussion I was not perceived to be "hassling" anyone in particular. That certainly was not my intent. Bob