The Chit List

[hatchetman]

Having friends and family that work directly with the IT industry it was disturbing to see Hewlett Packard on the MLPA supporters list so I emailed HP media relations directly and this was their response:

Hello Mr. Thomson,

I believe you’re referring to the David & Lucile Packard Foundation, which is an entirely separate entity from Hewlett-Packard Company. You can find more information about the Packard Foundation, including contact information, at http://www.packard.org.

Regards,
Gary Rainville
HP

Upon checking the link provided I found that The David and Lucile Packard Foundation is very much an environmentalist org. I can not find anything in the public comment section of the dfg/mlpa site that directly links HP as a supporter in the mlpa on either side. It seems that as we discuss the factual content of the Eco-Nazis, we should make sure our facts are absolute as well, if we state a link we should provide it. I can not say for a fact that HP is not a supporter of the MLPA, but it does look as if listing them may have been a mistake. I am following up with a reply asking for further clarification on there stand over the MLPA and will post what I find out.

[deepdvr]

As far as I'm aware of, there are no lingering Packards on the HP board of directors.

The foundation is the real enemy not the company. However, I guarantee you that a good chunk of the foundation's assets are tied into the HP share price.

There are alot of enviros in high places. Even our current CIA director, Leon Panetta, is a major advocate of ocean reform and has many ties to groups that have us in their cross-hairs. He went to my alma-mater and I used to like him.

[dsafety]

Both Hatchetman and Deepdiver bring up good points. Let me add another. Labeling someone or some group as the enemy simply because they have an association with someone or some group that opposes our point of view is dangerous. We should make sure that we have always the facts in hand before we form an opinion or make an accusation.

Labeling all environmentalists as the enemy is just as big of a reach as saying that HP is against us just because Packard helped found the company.

I consider myself an environmentalist and suspect that the majority of my kayak fishing friends share my concerns relating to most environmental issues. One can support protecting the environment without joining the enemy camp. There is a much more reasonable middle ground.

The big difference between us and the radicals who we are fighting is perspective. Radicals, whether they are political, religious or environmental all share one common trait. They are mioptic to the point that they cannot see any point of view other than their own. This kind of ignorance creates an enemy that can be difficult to fight. On the other hand, they all have one huge weakness. They cannot stand up to the truth.

Let's make sure that we always keep this weapon close by and untarnished.

Bob

[bellcon]

Bump
Because January 1st 2012 is right around the corner.

[blitzburgh]

Originally Posted by bellcon

Bump
Because January 1st 2012 is right around the corner.

Thank you!

[ChefT]

Tell Gates ill cook the catch,,,,

Occupy my OCEAN...... 1.1.12........ what mlpa
spread the word,,,, yaks, boats, skifts, tubes, fu$k it ... if it floats fish from it...

Im in ,,,,

[bus kid]

Perhaps a mod could sticky this thread.