M.L.P.A. ENDORSES URBAN RUNOFF!!!!

[kurtfish]

Wow Wade. I did not know you were such an enviromental scientist. I am a big fan of artificial turf or California Turf as some referred to it prior to our recent rains. My dogs love it and their mess cleans up real easily as it dries well with no watering required for our plastic.

Your point about run-off and water quality relates to why I said, "Surferrider has no idea who they are bed with". Water pollution in their precious marine life protected areas will be the next issue the enviros will try to address. Human urine and sunscreen will be added to list of dangerous chemicals you noted in your novel. We will have to install low-flow as well as high volume storm water retention basins in an effort to keep all human contaminants out of the MPAs. Human contaminats come from and created by those destructive humans and they must be kept out of MPAs as well.

Unless we band together and fight the lack of openess in the MLPA process we are allowing the first step of a process to ban all human contact and impose serious and very expensive means to protect the proposed MPAs. Once you start down a slippery slope it is very hard to reverse course and regain your footing. We currently have one foot on that slippery slope and if we left the recently completed SC MLPA process we will have both feet and that ice covered slope.

The Children's Pool is gone as we have let it go to the dogs and they have ruined this beutifully created swimming pool. We can't sit back and let the MPAs become the next Children's Pool with no human contact allowed. I landed a paddle at the children's Pool last month but I would not swim into the pool. I predict that we will not be allowed to swim in Bird Rock and Laguna Beach by 2013 if we don't now take a stand.

[robmandel]

Originally Posted by kurtfish

Unless we band together and fight the lack of openess in the MLPA process we are allowing the first step of a process to ban all human contact and impose serious and very expensive means to protect the proposed MPAs.

actually, if you read the bill (I did) and more importantly read into the bill (I think I can!!) that is exactly the point. it's not a bug, it's a feature.

here's the actual bill

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/99-00/...chaptered.html

now, what are the key points?

2852. The following definitions govern the construction of this chapter:

(d) "Marine life reserve," for the purposes of this chapter, means a marine protected area in which all extractive activities, including the taking of marine species, and, at the discretion of the commission and within the authority of the commission, other activities that upset the natural ecological functions of the area, are prohibited. While, to the extent feasible, the area shall be open to the public for managed enjoyment and study, the area shall be maintained to the extent practicable in an undisturbed and unpolluted state.

and

Section 2857
(c)
(4)Marine life reserves shall be designed, to the extent practicable, to ensure that activities that upset the natural ecological functions of the area are avoided.

Now, you can begin to see exactly what the plans were from the beginning. Remember, did we ever hear anything about fish, habitat, species, etc., from the blue shirt fascists? nope. and why not? because they didn't give two shits about the fish.

their goal was closure, as much as possible. think the laguna tuna beotches. they pretty much said they're going to close off the whole f***ing beach.

you have to realize about the closures that they were simply a backdoor to do things that could never get done legislatively. there's no way they could get outflow limitations, access restrictions, water quality, etc., etc., etc., especially in todays f***ed economy

there were many things wrong about the closures and the whole process, probably the worst of it was that those who fought the hardest for the closures were not at all concerned with the intent of having them in the first place. (i.e. why does packard foundation throw $50 million into it?) the mlpa wasn't about "marine life" but about using it to achieve other goals.

consider who was on the brtf and the SAT, and all the corruptions and conflicts and compromises. seriously, if those idiots at surfrider DIDN'T know who they were in bed with... they knew. they didn't care. means to an end. it's what makes them even more detestable than they already were.

[dorado50]

Another immediate challenge: all u.s. offshore fishing for marlin will come to a grinding halt in the atlantic and gulf of mexico if a u.s. environmental group wins its recent misguided attempt to list bluefin tuna as an endangered species.If that happens,and it's a very real possibility,any fishing that could result in interaction with bluefin tuna would have to stop.

While this environmental group's intentions are well placed, the ramifications would have the opposite effect and be bad for the fish, bad for the u.s. position in international negociations and bad for YOU> this shit is a national thing,not just in our backyard...

[CurtyL]

Oh man this is cool. I'm gonna start reading up on this guy - and this whole topic in general. Thanks!!