Seals slaughtered at Childrens Pool - NSFW - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bellcon · 03-06-2011, 04:19 PM

can we drag them all to lagoona?
(including the crazy lady?)

Tman · 03-06-2011, 04:59 PM

Maybe we could come up with some t-shirts, and plan a midday lunch break...paddle in to Children's Pool, plop down beach chairs, a BBQ, and have a nice lunch, pot luck style...and I am serious...

Possible t-shirt slogans...

..........SEALS
the other white meat

..........SEALS
betcha can't eat just one

..........SEALS
.......taste great

And my pick...

........PREY
......4 SEALS

tony · 03-06-2011, 06:41 PM

Found this interesting...One of the bullhorn crazy ladies- Dorata Valli- tried to nominate herself to the MLPA South Coast Regional Stake Holders Group..

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...v5dJdqLwUe47GA

Wonder what her intentions were?

Also these idiots run Youtube videos where they are clearly harassing normal decent people and try to portray their victims as maniacs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcS414_OoY

Where is County Mental Health when you need them??

Willy · 03-06-2011, 08:24 PM

Would it be harassing the seals if we brought a bullhorn to the beach and 'spoke' to the seals?
It wouldn't be touching them. Just talking to them.
Isn't it 'dialogue' that is the solution to any issue for the seal hugger types anyway?

Willy

Billy V · 03-06-2011, 09:32 PM

According to the nutty camera woman

-If the Sun Shines - its harassment
-Legally Walk on a beach - its harassment
-Cut a loud fart - its harassment
-Swim in the ocean - its harassment
---------------------
She needs to go home and clean her dirty bloomers.

taggermike · 03-07-2011, 07:31 AM

You can't fix stupid. I was at the CP last summer with my kids, just strolling along like a out of towner and encountered these kooks. I acted like I was naive to the whole ugly situation and let her go through her speel. It was rediculous but funny too. She told me the seals had been pupping on the this beach for thousands of years. I said I though the CP was man made and not that old. Didn't get a response to that. I pointed out, that too the best of my knowledge, very few if any pinnipeds ever bread on the mainland beaches in California. I got "that look", you know the poor-you-foolish-person look. I pointed out to her the grizzly bear on the California flag handily flying near by. She had no idea grizzlys used to roam the beaches of CA. I said her NO pinniped would ever drop a pup any where a bear had access to. They would pup on the islands or coastal rocks. Gotta love the angry look I got back. Most/all of these folks have absolutely zero knowledge of biology, ecology, or history but they sure had plenty of people listening to thier bs. MIke

old_rookie · 03-09-2011, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony

Found this interesting...One of the bullhorn crazy ladies- Dorata Valli- tried to nominate herself to the MLPA South Coast Regional Stake Holders Group..

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...v5dJdqLwUe47GA

Wonder what her intentions were?

Also these idiots run Youtube videos where they are clearly harassing normal decent people and try to portray their victims as maniacs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcS414_OoY

Where is County Mental Health when you need them??

Whoever that guy was on the video handled the situation very well and DID set a good example for his son - showing him how to handle the woman.

Don't know what federal law he is breaking. At one time there was a rope down there - not in the video.

I bet each time it rains, the run-off causes more of a problem for the seals than anyone walking the beach or getting a ball.

If that woman has her kids around during this, she is keeping future psychiatrists employed.

rogersmith · 03-09-2011, 08:35 AM

I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist.

But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road.

I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!!

Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way.

Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc.

Now I will duck and cover

Gino · 03-10-2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogersmith

I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist.

But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road.

I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!!

Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way.

Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc.

Now I will duck and cover

Hey now! Sealions lay on the beach in Jersey all the time, Havent you seen Snookie?

They need to restrict her access...

dahunter1996 · 03-10-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gino

Hey now! Sealions lay on the beach in Jersey all the time, Havent you seen Snookie?

They need to restrict her access...

LOL
here snookie snookie

sixgunn · 03-09-2011, 04:08 PM

wow, you guys got a real powder Keg down there.
Looking at all the videos, I'm surprised people aren't getting killed over that crap.
Up here in the North West, we realize those thing eat fish, & when the population grows too high, we run low on fish, the Puget sound hasnt had a big problem with shark declines, we don't actually have many sharks that are big enough to eat a seal
Anglers here have 2 major competitors for Salmon, Seals & Indians... we cant do anything about the Indians, they have treaty rights, as far as the seals go... well I cant do anything about them either, but on the occasions that an Indian kills a seal, as long as he doesn't leave it on the beach, you'll hear no complaint from me. that's just one less competitor, & an opportunity to boost the salmon run.

03-06-2011, 04:19 PM	#1
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	can we drag them all to lagoona? (including the crazy lady?) __________________

03-06-2011, 04:59 PM	#2
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Maybe we could come up with some t-shirts, and plan a midday lunch break...paddle in to Children's Pool, plop down beach chairs, a BBQ, and have a nice lunch, pot luck style...and I am serious... Possible t-shirt slogans... ..........SEALS the other white meat ..........SEALS betcha can't eat just one ..........SEALS .......taste great And my pick... ........PREY ......4 SEALS __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

03-06-2011, 09:32 PM	#5
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	According to the nutty camera woman -If the Sun Shines - its harassment -Legally Walk on a beach - its harassment -Cut a loud fart - its harassment -Swim in the ocean - its harassment --------------------- She needs to go home and clean her dirty bloomers. __________________

03-06-2011, 06:41 PM	#3
tony Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: La Jolla Posts: 130	Found this interesting...One of the bullhorn crazy ladies- Dorata Valli- tried to nominate herself to the MLPA South Coast Regional Stake Holders Group.. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...v5dJdqLwUe47GA Wonder what her intentions were? Also these idiots run Youtube videos where they are clearly harassing normal decent people and try to portray their victims as maniacs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcS414_OoY Where is County Mental Health when you need them??

03-06-2011, 08:24 PM	#4
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	Would it be harassing the seals if we brought a bullhorn to the beach and 'spoke' to the seals? It wouldn't be touching them. Just talking to them. Isn't it 'dialogue' that is the solution to any issue for the seal hugger types anyway? Willy

03-07-2011, 07:31 AM	#6
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	You can't fix stupid. I was at the CP last summer with my kids, just strolling along like a out of towner and encountered these kooks. I acted like I was naive to the whole ugly situation and let her go through her speel. It was rediculous but funny too. She told me the seals had been pupping on the this beach for thousands of years. I said I though the CP was man made and not that old. Didn't get a response to that. I pointed out, that too the best of my knowledge, very few if any pinnipeds ever bread on the mainland beaches in California. I got "that look", you know the poor-you-foolish-person look. I pointed out to her the grizzly bear on the California flag handily flying near by. She had no idea grizzlys used to roam the beaches of CA. I said her NO pinniped would ever drop a pup any where a bear had access to. They would pup on the islands or coastal rocks. Gotta love the angry look I got back. Most/all of these folks have absolutely zero knowledge of biology, ecology, or history but they sure had plenty of people listening to thier bs. MIke

03-09-2011, 08:35 AM	#8
rogersmith Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 465	I would urge everyone who has a strong opinion on the seal thing to think something through. I know, the first reaction, mine as well, is to say its about the agenda of wacko environmentalists placing animals' rights over people. The same agenda that has led to the MLPA and absolute looney "species management" that is actually anti fishing legislation built on messed up moral judgement. Believe me, I see the point here. Mother Nature ceded the SoCal coast to human use a long time ago, protecting seal access in a developed area is pretty silly. Yes, if dissuaded from living there they will find more appropriate alternatives., which do exist. But, I am from New Jersey and for the angler there, ACCESS is everything. When I look at this debate I see wealthy home owners who dont like traffic, crowds, noise. And thats it; wealth and power driving a local political agenda. If you asked me to be completly objective without the enviro angle, sometimes I think its fare to say its a farce that this beach needs to be reserved for "children". There are MILES of beaches in San Diego; pick another to play frisbee. La Jolla shores is right down the road. I see both sides of this though. And while I would support fighting the ridiculous agenda of the enviros, be VERY CAREFUL about what money and power can do as well. Today they dont like the traffic and crowds the seals bring, tomorrow they will object to some aspect, real or imagined, of fishing activities and then we will be on the chopping block. This was the case year in and year out in NJ. Some trash on the beach? No more parking allowed! Couple of hooks on the rocks? No fishing signs go up. All to protect the privacy of the little enclaves of the rich and connected. It was a travesty. I was threatened with police once for LOOKING at a lake in a "private" community in NJ, told I was trespassing. A naturally occuring lake no less, not a product of a dam!! Remember, look at how the MLPA process went, most or all of the actual worthwhile aspects of it were stripped: polution, development and runoff management. What emerged was the enviro victory over the weakest target, rec fishing. The commercial interests and their $$$ got their way. Im not saying lets all hug the seals, but think about how enabling the agenda of local wealth can lead to curtailed public access and use of shore fishing locations, launch spots, parking, etc. Now I will duck and cover

03-09-2011, 04:08 PM	#11
sixgunn Junior Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Puget sound Posts: 17	wow, you guys got a real powder Keg down there. Looking at all the videos, I'm surprised people aren't getting killed over that crap. Up here in the North West, we realize those thing eat fish, & when the population grows too high, we run low on fish, the Puget sound hasnt had a big problem with shark declines, we don't actually have many sharks that are big enough to eat a seal Anglers here have 2 major competitors for Salmon, Seals & Indians... we cant do anything about the Indians, they have treaty rights, as far as the seals go... well I cant do anything about them either, but on the occasions that an Indian kills a seal, as long as he doesn't leave it on the beach, you'll hear no complaint from me. that's just one less competitor, & an opportunity to boost the salmon run.