Not good ...

[Tman]

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter

i don't really need o defend my statement, the science and the numbers speak for themselves, strategically placed MPAs WORK, there is no dispute about that, or at least there should not be one from anyone who can read...

Really...science? You mean the 'science' that was given, and expected to be well received, even though said 'science' was flawed and not even reviewed when data was given proving otherwise, because they did not have time to review it as they were in such a hurry to cram this through disregarding 'science' proving the opposite?

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter

Look at recently enacted MPAs like Cabe Pulmo down in Mexico, or even our local MPA in La Jolla, where you have more reproductively active large Female California Spinies than surrounding waters, and one of the only known large breeding populations of Green Abalone left on the West Coast of the US.

Whoa...we are talking about fishing, and you bring up bugs and snails...
Didn't you guys have a so-called diver speak at one of the meetings and say that he dives the LJ reserve and that he doesn't see any fish, that being his reasoning why we should increase the size of the LJ reserve...now, he was lying, that we know. But, based on his statement, wouldn't it make sense then that, going on his word which you anti-fishers hold in such high esteem, if that truly was the case, then LJ is the last place you would want to increase a reserve since the initial reserve didn't work...

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter

I do not understand why more fisherman, such as myself, are not pro MPAs. (excuse the double negative) If anything the primary users of the resource (other than SCUBA divers and scientists) should be the ones most concerned with the longevity of the resource. You still have the majority of the surrounding waters to fish. roughly 75 to 80% to be exact.

If this was truly the case, why are you targeting the little guys?

Here's a thought...now follow me on this one.

A kayaker has what is known in nautical terms as a limited load capacity. Therefore, he absolutely cannot exceed the weight maximum of his kayak without endangering themselves. Ergo, keeping 10 Yellowtail would exceed his capacity. Most of the months, he can only keep one White Sea Bass. I do not know of many yakkers that keep Sand Bass, or Calico for that matter. Even Halibut are limited. Best yet, we are fine with that, so much so in fact, we even suggested lowering the daily take of species. Of course that fell on deaf ears...
A diver, he is not gonna go and spear 10 Calicos, 10 Yellowtail (he'd be so lucky), he is lucky to get a White Sea Bass or a legal Halibut.
A surf fisherman, good luck catching a Yellowtail from shore, maybe a legal Halibut, wishful thinking catching a legal White Sea Bass.

Now, a boater, multiply those numbers by the number of anglers on board the vessel. Let's not forget the party boats, with even more anglers, and an even heavier load capacity...and don't leave out the commercial boats and their by-catch, just to present the fish filleted, wrapped in plastic, that's ok, right? If you guys are so hell bent on preserving fishery stock, why not target the ones doing the most damage to the environment and fish stock?

Prosecute the minnows while the sharks roam free, ever heard of that?

The kayaker, the diver, the surf fisher, these are the ones affected by the closures, not the private boater or the party boat, they can all go further offshore safely. Basically, with your whole MPA analogy, we should either:

A: Paddle our kayaks further offshore to eat fish, or
B: Buy a boat or hop on a party boat

You do know this was all about the Clean Water Act initially, yes?
Don't know of any kayakers, divers, surf fishers that use oil or gasoline...

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter

Now, you may begin to nit pick my post and make defamatory statements. it is a shame that fellow fisherman tend not to be the most receptive to cordial argument.

Spell check, it's free. And that would be Cabo Pulmo.
Or am I not being cordial enough?

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter

...or at least there should not be one from anyone who can read...

Nice...wanting a cordial argument (an oxymoron) and you start it off this way...

[bellcon]

Originally Posted by MPA Supporter
You still have the majority of the surrounding waters to fish. roughly 75 to 80% to be exact.

Using your math,
you supported closing ONLY 20 to 25% of California's waters to fishing.
To the non-fisherman or even the ignorant fisherman (you?), that may sound fair.
BUT
The areas you have supported for closure are the areas we fish.
They are the "productive" areas, so please save the condescending "We left you 75 to 80% of the surrounding waters for you to fish" line of bull for those who don't know any better.

How about if we had a couple thousand acres of dry barren land, with one river running thru it. I take the land with the river on it, (approximately only 20 to 25% of said land) and you can have the rest... (roughly 75 to 80% to be exact) enjoy!

Or
lets say you live in a nice house with an ocean view, I come along and tell you about a new environmental law limiting the amount of windows you may have in a house. In your case we will only need to board up 20 to 25% of your windows, so you should be happy.
But here is the bad part, we choose which windows to board up. and in your case it is ALL of the windows that face your precious ocean view.
But not to worry we left 75 to 80% of your windows untouched...
(They just happen to have views of an alley and your neighbors side yards...) ENJOY!



Or I could tell you how I really feel, after attending hours and hours of meetings and spending way to much of my time listening to a bunch of fuggin kooks talk nonsense to a panel of complete shit holes who had already made up their minds. Then watching all those who opposed their agenda being disrespected and cut off from any and all rational discussion.

Part of me wishes we would have went medieval on those lying, fact distorting, pieces of....Ladies and Gentlemen (Ken W. being the biggest "lady" of them all)



Thanks for being a thorn
BWE... whats next?