The IPA maps - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

so cal shaggy · 11-11-2009, 07:26 PM

Laguna got royally thrown under the bus to make up what they did not take in PV

Tman · 11-11-2009, 07:51 PM

Thanks for that Tyler

LJ N of Scripps, we get phooked...any guys who fish the area care to respond?

Looking at Swamis N, bug trappers get phooked.

Plan to fish Cardiff? Drag the fish S to the 'free' space.

LJ S ? Only to a certain spot, they do manage to wipe out the shallow water spots.

Incredible. Let's see how they enforce the regs at night during bug season in the shallow areas that produce the best at S LJ/N PB.

There has got to be some sort of compromise in those areas, and a compromise N of Scripps. If the boaters can't get in tight to those areas and only yakkers and spearos can, clarify then. Make amends.

Yakkers and spearos will not damage/interfere/compromise/affect the natural habitat...and will not disrupt. Our catch is limited to our capacity.

We need to and will inform the DFG of this...

Afran · 11-11-2009, 09:04 PM

My be-loved La Jolla & Scripps. Where I have spent most of my life in the waters.

Sad day.

Keep fishing guys.

tylerdurden · 11-11-2009, 09:44 PM

Which one of those Laguna shapes did they take? The one further to the south I thought?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afran

My be-loved La Jolla & Scripps. Where I have spent most of my life in the waters.

Sad day.

All the best shore fishing too. We can still lobby the DFG commission to allow shore fishing as I beleive the level of protection would still be unchanged. I think I forgot to mention shore fishing in my public comments for this area.

lambadmin · 11-11-2009, 09:55 PM

tragedy

DESTROYER · 11-11-2009, 10:06 PM

I guess The Steve Moyer Memorial Tournament will have to be won off the point in 2010. Ridiculous! Thanks Tyler, those are nice images.

robmandel · 11-12-2009, 12:12 AM

for you guys that don't fish malibu much, that red area on the top map (just west of the big point) is what we kept referring to as BKR (big kelp reef). it is our LJ. it is a jewel. other than yellowtail, we get everything from great bassin, to halibut, to wsb, to rockfish, and all sorts of fun stuff. (with a much shorter paddle and relatively calmer waters) and it's been completely stolen. I'm typing this at 1am as I still can't sleep. I'm sick to my stomach and just lay there tossing and turning. just sick, angered, disgusted.

it seems almost surreal. I still can't believe what happened. I started kayak fishing a little over 4 years ago, and that was pretty much my main fishing area. I could have never imagined something like this would have happened. not in this country. but it did.

we gotta keep the fight going. the dfg has to be good start. the courts? there's no way they can constitutionally bar citizens from fishing public waters. or so you'd think. maybe not any more.

so cal shaggy · 11-12-2009, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerdurden

Which one of those Laguna shapes did they take? The one further to the south I thought?

They did the boundary is at the southern end of Crystal Cove and stretches through the entire of Laguna so they got what they wanted an end to end closure

Royak · 11-12-2009, 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=[I]Tman;47173]LJ N of Scripps, we get phooked...any guys who fish the area care to respond?[/I]QUOTE]

I fish there a lot, mostly for quality YT. Usually on my skiff, but sometimes on my kayak. Bait only?! So we paddle (or power) to the Scripps pier to make bait, then go -- how many miles? -- to use it. What ever happened to the "green" agenda (e.g. saving fuel and energy)? This is bullshit and serves no rational purpose.

LORENZ · 11-18-2009, 08:22 AM

You guys use a langauge that's all your own. Talk like a normal guy and the normal guy would be more prone to help out.

Blue means
Red means
H&L is

Holy Mackerel · 11-18-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LORENZ

You guys use a langauge that's all your own. Talk like a normal guy and the normal guy would be more prone to help out.

Blue means
Red means
H&L is

where the hell you been all year?

BLUE = STATE MARINE CONSERVATION AREA (SMCA) limited-specific take

RED = STATE MARINE RESERVE (SMR) NO TAKE

H&L = HOOK AND LINE

tylerdurden · 11-18-2009, 04:47 PM

The IPA has been added to marinemap. Lets us look at the maps in detail.

http://marinemap.org/marinemap/

Then click on MPAs, Arrays, Proposals
Then Click on MLPA SouthCoast Integrated Preferred Alternative (IPA)

It is about the 10th one on the list.

Red means no fishing, no take. Take a hike.
To find out what is allowed in a blue area, click it and see the allowed uses or read the text that comes up.

Try not to puke.

screaming reel · 11-18-2009, 06:32 PM

So for Scripps it says allow the take of coastal pelagic fin fish. Does that mean YT? Sounds like it does.

LORENZ · 11-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Here's another pissed off moment.

I've gone to the shops, I've asked around in the normal places a guy would ask around about fishing junk. The shop folk were more ignorant than I on the subject.

"Go on the web" was a common theme. The most knowledgeable folks who were coherent were the weekend fishing shows. 1 in particular, and even those guys made my ears bleed. Simple questions like what areas are being closed turned into 5 minute rants.

I'll be the first to say, that these maps were the clearest most accessible info on the closures that I've found. I think I'm talking for the majority of fisherman. It's been pretty hard to figure out what's going on when you spend a couple minutes here and there to keep abreast of the fight.

Holy Mackerel · 11-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LORENZ

I've been working all year. That's what working class slobs do.

This is the heart of the problem. Normal folks work and don't have time to deal with the take over of Democrats and Enviros.

yeah, I am a bum with all kinds of free time.

screaming reel · 11-19-2009, 11:10 AM

On google earth it looks as though the scripps reserve will end around Blacks proper. So it appears that north blacks and torry are still in the fishable zone. Am I right to assume this?

11-11-2009, 07:26 PM	#1
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	Laguna got royally thrown under the bus to make up what they did not take in PV __________________ Thanks, Jeff

11-11-2009, 07:51 PM	#2
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Thanks for that Tyler LJ N of Scripps, we get phooked...any guys who fish the area care to respond? Looking at Swamis N, bug trappers get phooked. Plan to fish Cardiff? Drag the fish S to the 'free' space. LJ S ? Only to a certain spot, they do manage to wipe out the shallow water spots. Incredible. Let's see how they enforce the regs at night during bug season in the shallow areas that produce the best at S LJ/N PB. There has got to be some sort of compromise in those areas, and a compromise N of Scripps. If the boaters can't get in tight to those areas and only yakkers and spearos can, clarify then. Make amends. Yakkers and spearos will not damage/interfere/compromise/affect the natural habitat...and will not disrupt. Our catch is limited to our capacity. We need to and will inform the DFG of this... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

11-11-2009, 09:04 PM	#3
Afran fishy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 219	My be-loved La Jolla & Scripps. Where I have spent most of my life in the waters. Sad day. Keep fishing guys. __________________ warbaits.com Instagram @warbaits

11-11-2009, 09:55 PM	#5
lambadmin Spam Sanitation Dept Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,376	tragedy __________________

11-12-2009, 06:48 PM	#9
Royak Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: La Jolla Posts: 46	Going Green (Not) [QUOTE=[I]Tman;47173]LJ N of Scripps, we get phooked...any guys who fish the area care to respond?[/I]QUOTE] I fish there a lot, mostly for quality YT. Usually on my skiff, but sometimes on my kayak. Bait only?! So we paddle (or power) to the Scripps pier to make bait, then go -- how many miles? -- to use it. What ever happened to the "green" agenda (e.g. saving fuel and energy)? This is bullshit and serves no rational purpose.

11-11-2009, 10:06 PM	#6
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	I guess The Steve Moyer Memorial Tournament will have to be won off the point in 2010. Ridiculous! Thanks Tyler, those are nice images.

11-12-2009, 12:12 AM	#7
robmandel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 186	for you guys that don't fish malibu much, that red area on the top map (just west of the big point) is what we kept referring to as BKR (big kelp reef). it is our LJ. it is a jewel. other than yellowtail, we get everything from great bassin, to halibut, to wsb, to rockfish, and all sorts of fun stuff. (with a much shorter paddle and relatively calmer waters) and it's been completely stolen. I'm typing this at 1am as I still can't sleep. I'm sick to my stomach and just lay there tossing and turning. just sick, angered, disgusted. it seems almost surreal. I still can't believe what happened. I started kayak fishing a little over 4 years ago, and that was pretty much my main fishing area. I could have never imagined something like this would have happened. not in this country. but it did. we gotta keep the fight going. the dfg has to be good start. the courts? there's no way they can constitutionally bar citizens from fishing public waters. or so you'd think. maybe not any more.

11-18-2009, 08:22 AM	#10
LORENZ Junior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 19	You guys use a langauge that's all your own. Talk like a normal guy and the normal guy would be more prone to help out. Blue means Red means H&L is

11-18-2009, 04:47 PM	#12
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	The IPA has been added to marinemap. Lets us look at the maps in detail. http://marinemap.org/marinemap/ Then click on MPAs, Arrays, Proposals Then Click on MLPA SouthCoast Integrated Preferred Alternative (IPA) It is about the 10th one on the list. Red means no fishing, no take. Take a hike. To find out what is allowed in a blue area, click it and see the allowed uses or read the text that comes up. Try not to puke. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-18-2009, 06:32 PM	#13
screaming reel Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 24	So for Scripps it says allow the take of coastal pelagic fin fish. Does that mean YT? Sounds like it does.

11-19-2009, 10:41 AM	#14
LORENZ Junior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 19	Here's another pissed off moment. I've gone to the shops, I've asked around in the normal places a guy would ask around about fishing junk. The shop folk were more ignorant than I on the subject. "Go on the web" was a common theme. The most knowledgeable folks who were coherent were the weekend fishing shows. 1 in particular, and even those guys made my ears bleed. Simple questions like what areas are being closed turned into 5 minute rants. I'll be the first to say, that these maps were the clearest most accessible info on the closures that I've found. I think I'm talking for the majority of fisherman. It's been pretty hard to figure out what's going on when you spend a couple minutes here and there to keep abreast of the fight.

11-19-2009, 11:10 AM	#16
screaming reel Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 24	On google earth it looks as though the scripps reserve will end around Blacks proper. So it appears that north blacks and torry are still in the fishable zone. Am I right to assume this?