Warning about Baja Travel

[-scallywag-]

what you experienced sounds like SOP, even the "shake down search".

Wavesters tips are on the money, I would also like to add a few:

- Have all the small valubles in one place, I use a backpack and take it out with me during the inspections

- Have "gifts" available, cold sodas, cigs, fruit, snacks...and my personal favorite PORN !! Nothing will get you thru checkpoints faster than a stack of good hardcore porn mags (don't try to pawn off your old harry bush playboy crap on um) on or under your seat where they can easily be found...once they see those the search is over and you're on your way....just make sure you have more stashed somewhere else incase they want the whole stack.

[dorado50]

Good advice. Like some, all my $ and valueables are on me. That way if someone wants it bad enough they will have a hard time taking it from me. Only open one door at a time,great advice right there....can't wait to road trip back down nov.(fall yt off the hook at santa rosalia).

[BOOGIE]

I have a better one, dont come, if your going to be all freaki and scared you ar not going to enjoy your self, i really dont agree with the chek points but sadly we came to this point, the military is not prepared to deal with cibillian matters , i really dont know aboutt anny park ranger stole monney from anny one, butt the hole world has seen your soldiers rape and kill inocent women and children, and laugh on ther faces and film them an them post them on you tube , i guess thats a normal behabior for you and your fammily, and you dont see nothing rong wiht it,this is a more complex problem i might belong to a corrupt third world country as you say but to have a corrupt you have a gay giving the brive, we dont have enuff money to brive cos we are so poor an third world an that shit... so if you dont like it here dont come and is not baja is Baja California.

[WahooUSMA]

Originally Posted by BOOGIE

the hole world has seen your soldiers rape and kill inocent women and children, and laugh on ther faces and film them an them post them on you tube , i guess thats a normal behabior for you and your fammily,

You should choose your words very carefully!

[Jimmyz123]

Originally Posted by BOOGIE

I have a better one, dont come, if your going to be all freaki and scared you ar not going to enjoy your self, i really dont agree with the chek points but sadly we came to this point, the military is not prepared to deal with cibillian matters , i really dont know aboutt anny park ranger stole monney from anny one, butt the hole world has seen your soldiers rape and kill inocent women and children, and laugh on ther faces and film them an them post them on you tube , i guess thats a normal behabior for you and your fammily, and you dont see nothing rong wiht it,this is a more complex problem i might belong to a corrupt third world country as you say but to have a corrupt you have a gay giving the brive, we dont have enuff money to brive cos we are so poor an third world an that shit... so if you dont like it here dont come and is not baja is Baja California.

My post was not meant as a slam to the entire nation of Mexico it was meant to help open the eyes to some that there is still the corruption of those who are paid to protect. There is no excuse for stealing from someone, according the the bible it is one of the 10 commandments.

Trust me I love Baja California and will return but I'm more relieved to know that not all of Mexico is corrupt.

[IntrntFshrman]

Originally Posted by BOOGIE

I have a better one, dont come, if your going to be all freaki and scared you ar not going to enjoy your self, i really dont agree with the chek points but sadly we came to this point, the military is not prepared to deal with cibillian matters , i really dont know aboutt anny park ranger stole monney from anny one, butt the hole world has seen your soldiers rape and kill inocent women and children, and laugh on ther faces and film them an them post them on you tube , i guess thats a normal behabior for you and your fammily, and you dont see nothing rong wiht it,this is a more complex problem i might belong to a corrupt third world country as you say but to have a corrupt you have a gay giving the brive, we dont have enuff money to brive cos we are so poor an third world an that shit... so if you dont like it here dont come and is not baja is Baja California.

I cry BS. 1st post, huh? Also, aneeteyem yu sea sum1 deeliburutlee misspehl soh muhhc, itt maykes u wunduhr....obvious troll.

[jorluivil]

Originally Posted by BOOGIE

I have a better one, dont come, if your going to be all freaki and scared you ar not going to enjoy your self, i really dont agree with the chek points but sadly we came to this point, the military is not prepared to deal with cibillian matters , i really dont know aboutt anny park ranger stole monney from anny one, butt the hole world has seen your soldiers rape and kill inocent women and children, and laugh on ther faces and film them an them post them on you tube , i guess thats a normal behabior for you and your fammily, and you dont see nothing rong wiht it,this is a more complex problem i might belong to a corrupt third world country as you say but to have a corrupt you have a gay giving the brive, we dont have enuff money to brive cos we are so poor an third world an that shit... so if you dont like it here dont come and is not baja is Baja California.

Nice first post. Someone talks about their experience and you try to flip it on him. Its responses from ignorant people like you that make me lower my head in disgust because I to am Mexican. Do you even own a kayak?

[driftwood]

Good call mikecollins86! that guy is full of BS. He is just trying to get a mob heated response from people just to bash mexico. please do not reply to this PENDEJO!!!

[tptrench]

Screw Mexico, It just isn't worth it anymore! Ya couldn't pay me to cross the border! TP

[Nic D]

Originally Posted by tptrench

Screw Mexico, It just isn't worth it anymore! Ya couldn't pay me to cross the border! TP

awesome!! more fish and beer for me.

I love it down there.. would move in a heart beat if I could A) convince the wife and B) find work.

Im just shocked that the lack of knowledge produces so much fear.

[Jimmyz123]

Originally Posted by Tamarack Studios

awesome!! more fish and beer for me.

I love it down there.. would move in a heart beat if I could A) convince the wife and B) find work.

Im just shocked that the lack of knowledge produces so much fear.

Very true. I can understand the fear but too often we hear of all the bad and not enough of the good, which in my opinion there is a lot more good that goes on down in Baja than bad.

[tunaseeker]

- Have "gifts" available, cold sodas, cigs, fruit, snacks...and my personal favorite PORN !! Nothing will get you thru checkpoints faster than a stack of good hardcore porn mags (don't try to pawn off your old harry bush playboy crap on um) on or under your seat where they can easily be found...once they see those the search is over and you're on your way....just make sure you have more stashed somewhere else incase they want the whole stack.

I was LMAO!!! Good advice!

[Dean Machine]

Originally Posted by jorluivil

Nice first post. Someone talks about their experience and you try to flip it on him. Its responses from ignorant people like you that make me lower my head in disgust because I to am Mexican. Do you even own a kayak?

X2 for sure.
He needs to try gaining some credibility on this board before flaming out on the first post.

Hopefully this thread can continue to be a good discussion and it will not get too personal. I have been thinking about the Mexico travel subject for quite some time and value all the opinions posted even though it sometimes seems like we are beating a dead horse.

I found some really good links on the subject.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_4755.html

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs...ityUpdate.html

Seems like a good source. People may be able to form their own opinions from these and their own experience.

[greenscales]

The only difference between our government and theirs stealing our money, they do it in plain daylight while in uniform ours does it behind closed doors while wearing suits in some committee room (or faking science to take our fishing rights away.)

I've posted a few times on my solo trips to Northern Baja waters. The only times I have had problems w/the federales at the checkpoints I have been an obvious mark. Once was cash that I thought I hid well enough and the other was a flashlight that I would have given them anyways. Each time I was coming back to the states late on quiet Sunday nights, visibly wiped out after a long day of kayaking, breaking camp, and cleaning fish. Let my guard down and stepped aside as 1 or 2 would distract me as 2 others raided the vehicle looking for something I would not miss for at least a few miles down the road.

However my 4 trips in the last year I was heading back on busier days where they only had one or two guards checking me out and they were really just concerned I wasn't hauling drugs or guns. I can't speak for the San Felipe route or below Colonett, but the federales I have dealt with been very professional the last few years.

For anyone interested in a first trip down, I am contemplating a quick run to either LaBuf or PST Labor Day weekend, leave Friday and return early Monday. I also would like to do my annual Thanksgiving run down there. PM me if interested - you'll need to bring the magazines and I'll get the beer to gift the Federales.

[BOOGIE]

Its really not my first post, probably my third or forth a tecnical thing i gess, but ebery time i have post its on the same matter, i guess i dont like people critizising the place a live and love, do i own a kayak?, all my life, do i like fishing? more or the same as the next guy i just don like it wen some one shares his experience some people just jump right away to say that your crazy to take your fammily there, i so some assholes driving a caravan with white flags on ther antenas like if there where crossing a war zone, things like ïts no wonder it hapened over there, you would never see that here,my respons wasnt to the guy that get robed i am realy sorry that that hapaned, my response was for those that allways complain about Mexico but cant get unogh of it, and as far as choosing my words i stand behind them,all of them, y para ti cabron que dices que eres Mexicano chinga tu madre verguenza te deveria de dar andar defendiendo estas pendejadas, vente a vivir aqui a mexico y paga tus impuestos aqui y chingate como todos y luego vienes adefender tu causa, and as far as earning mi credibility?,i didnt know you have to insult some one to earn it, full of b.s?, pendejo?, trets like choose your words?, nice credibility, nice way to treat a first post, butt i am sorry, i guess i got mixup with another country, and as far as mi spelling it didnt seem like a problem i gess every one understand wat i say

[jorluivil]

Originally Posted by BOOGIE

Its really not my first post, probably my third or forth a tecnical thing i gess, but ebery time i have post its on the same matter, i guess i dont like people critizising the place a live and love, do i own a kayak?, all my life, do i like fishing? more or the same as the next guy i just don like it wen some one shares his experience some people just jump right away to say that your crazy to take your fammily there, i so some assholes driving a caravan with white flags on ther antenas like if there where crossing a war zone, things like ïts no wonder it hapened over there, you would never see that here,my respons wasnt to the guy that get robed i am realy sorry that that hapaned, my response was for those that allways complain about Mexico but cant get unogh of it, and as far as choosing my words i stand behind them,all of them, y para ti cabron que dices que eres Mexicano chinga tu madre verguenza te deveria de dar andar defendiendo estas pendejadas, vente a vivir aqui a mexico y paga tus impuestos aqui y chingate como todos y luego vienes adefender tu causa, and as far as earning mi credibility?,i didnt know you have to insult some one to earn it, full of b.s?, pendejo?, trets like choose your words?, nice credibility, nice way to treat a first post, butt i am sorry, i guess i got mixup with another country, and as far as mi spelling it didnt seem like a problem i gess every one understand wat i say

We're all entitled to our opinion and I honestly respect what you say....well, everything except for the part about my mother. Do I support Mexico, HELL YEAH! In the last four years I've spent well over $6k in travels to Cabo, Mazatlan, La Paz, San Quintin, Ensenada and Tijuana and if all goes well my next $6k will be for a 100' X 100' lot in San Quintin. Except for one time when me, my wife (girlfriend at the time), my sister and her husband (boyfriend at the time) were driven to a remote area somewhere in TJ and robbed of all our money by the police I've never had an issue. This happened several years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday, I've never feared for my life like I did that day.

I've driven to San Quintin and Ensenada alone and in the dark. Was I scared? Of course I was but I made to and back in one piece and without any issues. What you need to understand is that we post these comments about our experiences in Mexico so that others can learn from them, we're not bashing your country. On the contrary, we're telling people to be aware of where you are, what you do and where you go when you visit Mexico. If you were to visit the US I'd give you pointers like, stay away from Compton and South Central Los Angeles at night because it's a dangerous area but make sure your fish La Jolla before you go back home.

Eddie says you're a cool dude, I'm sure you are but you need to tone it down and as a person that lives in a country that we love to visit you should be giving us advise on what to do, where to go and what areas to stay away from. The comments about our soldiers raping and killings women and children were totally uncalled for. This is a fishing forum, not a political forum and we should keep it that way.

[cowboybill]

I had to respond again after seeing the comment from the guy trying to turn this around to seem like Mexico bashing... The big thing to remember is you do not have the same rights, or access to legal protection, period.

On a positive note; I must say that while travelling near Laguna Hanson (roughly 50-75 miles south of Tecate), My 4x4 broke down. Battery lost 2 cells...I was on flat ground so I could not bump it....
I hiked about 3-5 miles north, and met 2 brothers farming....Long story short, these 2 brothers took about 3-4 hours to get me back and running. They had to get out an old ford bronco, get it started, get gas, etc, etc...
They saved my ass, and asked for nothing. In fact the family offered me dinner and a nights stay! I gave them $50 or so for their troubles (they would not take more) and took off. It has been over 15 years, and I still remember their names...Martin and Mario of Rancho Day....

The locals tend to be just good down home folk... I wish the legal system was as ethical.

Cowboybill

[dorado50]

Thats what makes Baja so special! Just wonderful families there and people like those that helped you with your truck are everywhere there.

[Jimmyz123]

Originally Posted by cowboybill

I had to respond again after seeing the comment from the guy trying to turn this around to seem like Mexico bashing... The big thing to remember is you do not have the same rights, or access to legal protection, period.

On a positive note; I must say that while travelling near Laguna Hanson (roughly 50-75 miles south of Tecate), My 4x4 broke down. Battery lost 2 cells...I was on flat ground so I could not bump it....
I hiked about 3-5 miles north, and met 2 brothers farming....Long story short, these 2 brothers took about 3-4 hours to get me back and running. They had to get out an old ford bronco, get it started, get gas, etc, etc...
They saved my ass, and asked for nothing. In fact the family offered me dinner and a nights stay! I gave them $50 or so for their troubles (they would not take more) and took off. It has been over 15 years, and I still remember their names...Martin and Mario of Rancho Day....

The locals tend to be just good down home folk... I wish the legal system was as ethical.

Cowboybill

I have been seeing this type of friendliness down there for the last 10 years. Just this last weekend I needed my air conditioning charged. I went to a guy who took me to the place where they have all their work done. 60 minutes later my AC is running like magic and the guy charged me $40 for all the work he did.

I have only had 1 issue going down to Baja, and that is not enough to keep me from going down there. I will do things differently when going through the check point from now on, and I will know a lot more Spanish as well.

Sadly there are too many people up here that Pre-judge the people south of the border and it's not fair. I have no problem with anyone wanting to stay safe, but please don't assume that everyone in Baja is the same as the drug lords we keep hearing about. I have 2 fishing guides that I know down there that I would trust my life with, and I also know many people down there that I would do that same.

It's a fun place to visit just be smart, safe, and check your temper at the border.

[Jimmyz123]

Originally Posted by Dean Machine

I found some really good links on the subject.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_4755.html

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs...ityUpdate.html

Seems like a good source. People may be able to form their own opinions from these and their own experience.

Both of these links are great and good information to know.